Trump Started Trade War Because He Was Angry

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Who here doesn't realize that the push for globalization and free international trade began with GATT shortly after WW2 as a way to create interdependence between the industrialized nations? And that the entire point of this was to avoid a third world war? Of course the wild card at the time was the USSR. Other than that, has there been a 3rd world war in the last 73 years? No.

Moreover, starting in the 1980s (IIRC), outsourcing ramped up as a way to rein in inflation. Was it not? Weren't we told that manufacturing under "lower cost structures" in foreign nations would bring us less inflation in the checkout lanes?

Trump has promised a bunch of angry, disenfranchised manufacturing workers in the Rust Belt their high wage jobs back through what appears to be Nationalistic Isolationism. The very thing that led to serious problems in the last century. He actually jacked up our import tariffs, then demanded everyone else drop theirs.

Hmmm.….. What could possibly go wrong?

Absence of a third world war is mainly due to MAD.

The people who pushed for out sourcing were seeking the cheapest labor possible.

There are angry people all over America (not only in the Rust Belt) who observe our competitors for years not playing fairly. A big example of one such competitor is China.
The trade deficit with that country is now $375 billion. WTF! Furthermore said country is seen gearing up to be a hostile and fearsome competitor.

American workers are often asked to compete against those in areas which have minimalist standards. It is the era of the NWO which additionally push for open borders -- a way for uncontrollable influx of mainly cheap labor.

Trump inherited a bad scene (America in the negative with almost every major trader) and cannot do worst than the previous admins.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Absence of a third world war is mainly due to MAD.

The people who pushed for out sourcing were seeking the cheapest labor possible.

There are angry people all over America (not only in the Rust Belt) who observe our competitors for years not playing fairly. A big example of one such competitor is China.
The trade deficit with that country is now $375 billion. WTF! Furthermore said country is seen gearing up to be a hostile and fearsome competitor.

American workers are often asked to compete against those in areas which have minimalist standards. It is the era of the NWO which additionally push for open borders -- a way for uncontrollable influx of mainly cheap labor.

Trump inherited a bad scene (America in the negative with almost every major trader) and cannot do worst than the previous admins.

You’re buying into the Trumpie’s propaganda. Here’s a good overview, from the libertarian Cato Institute, about the myths that politicians push on unsuspecting voters over trade deficits.

https://www.cato.org/publications/co...-trade-deficit

Misunderstanding of the trade deficit threatens to undermine the freedom to trade by encouraging faulty and damaging “solutions” to a problem that does not exist. Any attempt to fix the trade deficit through protectionism, export subsidies, or currency manipulation is bound to fail because none of those tools of intervention addresses the underlying causes of the trade deficit. The trade deficit will respond only to changes in a nation’s net flow of foreign investment, which in turn is determined by its underlying rates of savings and investment.

[Dondilion]

Lets look at China.
We took some manufacturing to China. Workers lost some reasonable paying jobs. In return we got some shoddy goods.

Then the big store boys started to buy mainly China made goods. This engendered more loss of manufacturing to China. The Chinese in the meantime undertook a policy of forcing American companies into joint ventures and as a result the theft of intellectual property was much easier.

The next move by the Chinese was the opening of local competitors which have access also to the American market.

The American globalists have forced a lack of choice on the American consumer and then some of them find themselves outwitted by the Chinese.

In 2015 China announced a grand plan "Made In China 2025". China intends to move up the value chain. However this time America's eyes are wide open.

US targets "Made In China 2025".
https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/...h-tech-economy

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Chicks

You’re buying into the Trumpie’s propaganda. Here’s a good overview, from the libertarian Cato Institute, about the myths that politicians push on unsuspecting voters over trade deficits.

https://www.cato.org/publications/co...-trade-deficit

Be careful when using the L word around here. I've been accused of being one. Probably has something to do with being a rational anarchist which is often confused with being a PITA.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Absence of a third world war is mainly due to MAD.

The people who pushed for out sourcing were seeking the cheapest labor possible.

There are angry people all over America (not only in the Rust Belt) who observe our competitors for years not playing fairly. A big example of one such competitor is China.
The trade deficit with that country is now $375 billion. WTF! Furthermore said country is seen gearing up to be a hostile and fearsome competitor.

American workers are often asked to compete against those in areas which have minimalist standards. It is the era of the NWO which additionally push for open borders -- a way for uncontrollable influx of mainly cheap labor.

Trump inherited a bad scene (America in the negative with almost every major trader) and cannot do worst than the previous admins.

MAD hasn't been an actual concern for a couple or three decades, now.

In the bolded; And, that would have been...………? Businessmen like Trump, perhaps? Obviously. All of it fully supported by Republicans as well as Democrats, right? Ummmm, yes, absolutely.

It sure wasn't labor who wanted manufacturing to leave the country. What fucking sense would THAT make? They wanted less dues paying members so they could make less money? Brilliant plan.

Nations dependent on each other are less likely to go to war against each other. Are they not?

Have you closely examined Chinese made products lately? It's getting VERY good and still less expensive than the American made stuff. In astrophotography, a good comparison would be cameras. You can pay thousands for SBIG or Atik, or you can pay hundreds for ZWO or QHY that work very well and make beautiful pictures. Guess what nearly everybody does?

Our trade problems involve more than just tariffs and taxes. Much more.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

MAD hasn't been an actual concern for a couple or three decades, now.

In the bolded; And, that would have been...………? Businessmen like Trump, perhaps? Obviously. All of it fully supported by Republicans as well as Democrats, right? Ummmm, yes, absolutely.

It sure wasn't labor who wanted manufacturing to leave the country. What fucking sense would THAT make? They wanted less dues paying members so they could make less money? Brilliant plan.

Nations dependent on each other are less likely to go to war against each other. Are they not?

Have you closely examined Chinese made products lately? It's getting VERY good and still less expensive than the American made stuff. In astrophotography, a good comparison would be cameras. You can pay thousands for SBIG or Atik, or you can pay hundreds for ZWO or QHY that work very well and make beautiful pictures. Guess what nearly everybody does?

Our trade problems involve more than just tariffs and taxes. Much more.

We are dumb.

We went to sleep and allowed a huge transfer of science and technology in a relatively short span of time to a country, which is gearing up for massive fight for what it considers its area.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

We are dumb.

We went to sleep and allowed a huge transfer of science and technology in a relatively short span of time to a country, which is gearing up for massive fight for what it considers its area.

Our and other advanced countries' science and technology were primarily stolen.