GOP's AHCA aka Trump-RyanCare

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Originally Posted by finnbow

Fighting without results is just pissing in the wind. It is, however, fulfilling to those such as yourself who are entertained by pointless conflict. Congratulations.

Fighting and losing is better than not. If Hillary had beaten Trump, she would have the same non cooperative Congress as Bernie.

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Originally Posted by donquixote99

Then there's no reason to take anything you say seriously, is there?

No.

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Originally Posted by finnbow

Heritage, Tea Party, Club for Growth, Americans for Prosperity, Freedom Works, House Freedom Caucus, Cato, Democrats, GOP senators from Medicare expansion states, AARP (retirees), AMA(doctors), AHA(hospitals), ANA(nurses), Breitbart, National Review, and even your heartthrob Ann Coulter are against it.

Who you got?

The House Freedom Caucus has not taken a position for or against the Act. They DO want an up or down vote on full repeal, but that doesn't mean they won't support the Act when it comes up for a vote. The same goes for Americans for Prosperity, Heritage, etc. As far as left leaning AARP, AMA, etc, no surprise there.

The political reality is that there likely aren't the votes for a full repeal because they'd need Dems to cross party lines....where Pelosi and Schumer would be waiting to nuke any that did.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

The House Freedom Caucus has not taken a position for or against the Act. They DO want an up or down vote on full repeal, but that doesn't mean they won't support the Act when it comes up for a vote. The same goes for Americans for Prosperity, Heritage, etc. As far as left leaning AARP, AMA, etc, no surprise there.

The political reality is that there likely aren't the votes for a full repeal because they'd need Dems to cross party lines....where Pelosi and Schumer would be waiting to nuke any that did.

"WASHINGTON — Republicans are rarely as exercised as when they are fighting with themselves.
And as the House debates how to best dismantle the Affordable Care Act, a familiar array of interest groups with deep pockets, incensed talk radio hosts and online agitators is again assuming its posture of aggression toward the House Republican leadership.
“Swampcare,” the writer and radio personality Erick Erickson scoffed at the new American Health Care Act, the culmination of seven years of promises to repeal and replace President Barack Obama’s signature domestic achievement. “Obamacare 2.0,” declared Breitbart.com. “RINOCARE,” Mark Levin wrote on Twitter, using the acronym for Republican in Name Only.
Political groups backed by the billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch and other powerful players on the right, such as Club for Growth and Heritage Action for America, have come out quickly and strongly against the bill. Some have threatened to punish lawmakers by docking their conservative ratings on the influential “scorecards” they distribute to voters. Activists are already swarming Capitol Hill and demanding that Congress take a harder line and pass a repeal measure that would leave no trace of the Affordable Care Act.
“I feel lied to,” said Anna Beavon Gravely, the deputy state director of the North Carolina chapter of Americans for Prosperity, a Koch-backed group that is funding a grass-roots push against Republicans in Congress who want to stop short of an outright repeal." NY Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/u...T.nav=top-news

You were saying?

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Originally Posted by whell

The House Freedom Caucus has not taken a position for or against the Act. They DO want an up or down vote on full repeal, but that doesn't mean they won't support the Act when it comes up for a vote. The same goes for Americans for Prosperity, Heritage, etc. As far as left leaning AARP, AMA, etc, no surprise there.

The political reality is that there likely aren't the votes for a full repeal because they'd need Dems to cross party lines....where Pelosi and Schumer would be waiting to nuke any that did.

Doesn't mean they will either.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

The House Freedom Caucus has not taken a position for or against the Act. They DO want an up or down vote on full repeal, but that doesn't mean they won't support the Act when it comes up for a vote. The same goes for Americans for Prosperity, Heritage, etc. As far as left leaning AARP, AMA, etc, no surprise there.

The political reality is that there likely aren't the votes for a full repeal because they'd need Dems to cross party lines....where Pelosi and Schumer would be waiting to nuke any that did.

The conservative House Freedom Caucus is not satisfied with the GOP’s newly released health care plan. At a press conference on Capitol Hill on Tuesday, the representatives disclosed how they plan to respond.

“You have to get rid of Obamacare completely,” Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC) said. The legislation released on Monday does not satisfy that condition.

“The leadership plan is Obamacare in a different form,” Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) said, agreeing with his colleague.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortne...-bill-n2295444

Trump has even lost the lunatic fringe. Take a look at this list of RyanTrumpCare opponents and see if you can find a similar list of those in favor of it.
http://www.vox.com/2017/3/9/14869448...-health-reform

[donquixote99]

The Koch's are against it. Tax credits for those schmucks? Let them die.

[sheltiedave]

I have to laugh when the AMA is described as being "left leaning." In most cases a majority of the AMA doctors I know are slightly right of Attila the Hun.

However, they do recognize the "new" plan will cause the insurance rolls to shrink, which means less payable business for them. They oppose the new plan because it hits them hard in the pocketbook, where as nursing organizations oppose it because it ensures more people will go without adequate medical care.

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Originally Posted by sheltiedave

I have to laugh when the AMA is described as being "left leaning." In most cases a majority of the AMA doctors I know are slightly right of Attila the Hun.

However, they do recognize the "new" plan will cause the insurance rolls to shrink, which means less payable business for them. They oppose the new plan because it hits them hard in the pocketbook, where as nursing organizations oppose it because it ensures more people will go without adequate medical care.

Which would mean fewer nursing jobs too.

[donquixote99]

Everyone is having a go at the new health <ahem> plan, but I think Trevor Noah really got off an excellent segment. At the end, Trump sets himself up perfectly and then Trump lets him have it! Definitely a 10!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QD-jvOJfgA