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Merge time!
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04-20-2014, 12:59 PM
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Yup. Sounds good.
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04-20-2014, 01:01 PM
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The last two paragraphs in the article:
"The intention of these proposals is to eliminate the rooftop solar industry," said Bryan Miller, president of the Alliance for Solar Choice, an industry group.
"They have picked some of the most conservative states in the country," he added. "But rooftop solar customers are voters, and policymakers ultimately have to listen to the public."
Well, no, they don't. They have to listen to the money.
John
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04-20-2014, 01:29 PM
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Well, no, they don't. They have to listen to the money.
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I agree. When stupid state mandates start driving up the cost of my energy bill for no good reason, it's my money that is the motivator: the money that I'm paying to get nothing in return for.
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04-20-2014, 01:40 PM
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I'd choose sustainable rooftop solar over a Koch affiliated source any day if I could manage it.
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04-20-2014, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by whell
Jenny Granholm did the same asinine thing here in MI. She decided that some 20+ percent of the power generated in MI must come from alternative sources. Hefty could cover that is typical in MI during the winter months precludes solar, so that leaves wind as the only alternative. Too bad wind isn't a reliable enough generation source to predictably offset any portion of the energy that the state needs to feed the grid. In the meantime, electric rates are going steadily northward.
These artificial state mandates on power generation are idiotic, and need to be repealed.
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What needs to be done is to take power generation out of the hands of private industry. Back home they only read our meter every second month as it did not pay to send someone out every month. The worst bill I had during July August was $86. Here we have just had the last three bills at $945, $724 and $644. Ontario Hydro and Quebec Hydro deliver electricity at a tenth of what these thieves charge.
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04-20-2014, 03:20 PM
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What needs to be done is to take power generation out of the hands of private industry. Back home they only read our meter every second month as it did not pay to send someone out every month.
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Yeah, that's progress I guess..for "back home". Here, the meter transmits data directly to the utility. No need to send someone out at all.
By the way, in most states the utlity is regulated so much that the utilitiy has to ask the state whether or not its OK to blow its nose.
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04-20-2014, 03:31 PM
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Of course, hydro is solar. The sun does the work of vaporizing water that then precipitates to flow through turbines. Ontario Hydro and Quebec Hydro's power should be cheap; they have no fuel cost.
I'm more than half-convinced the best utility model is the old Bell 'monopoly.' We had 99.99999% reliability, and we had Bell Labs. Good stuff. What I don't know is what was different with them, compared to the scheming energy companies.... Though they are fundamentally different businesses. Bell was basically a network provider, a service business, while the electric providers are manufacturers/distributors.
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04-20-2014, 05:31 PM
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The only good Koch, is a dead Koch.
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