Ukraine Heats Up

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

The more I read up on Svoboda and Right Sector, the more I wonder if we shouldn't be supporting the Russians.

We all know how the Russians are, but have as yet to see how nasty these Fascist punks in the Ukraine can be if they get their way. We shouldn't try to protect anyone that could turn out worse than what they replaced......

We've done enough of that already.

Dave

When I saw the Svoboda Party symbol it practically screamed swastika inspired.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

The more I read up on Svoboda and Right Sector, the more I wonder if we shouldn't be supporting the Russians.

I'm already there.

We all know how the Russians are, but have as yet to see how nasty these Fascist punks in the Ukraine can be if they get their way. We shouldn't try to protect anyone that could turn out worse than what they replaced......

We've done enough of that already.

Syria, for instance. We may not be aiding al Qaeda directly but we're definitely helping to precipitate an outcome that's, more likely than not, going to advance al Qaeda's long and short term aims.

Our best chance of an acceptable outcome in Syria lay in cooperating with Russia to bring about a peaceful resolution of the conflict. After a promising beginning with regard to the Syrian chemical ordinance, we seem to have tossed that hope out of the window owing to pour stance regarding Ukraine.

I really don't know what the fuck these guys are thinking!!

John

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by merrylander

When I saw the Svoboda Party symbol it practically screamed swastika inspired.

Gee, ya think?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Gee, ya think?

I think they've officially dumped that symbol, sort-of, not completely....

Some brew of new-nation extreme nationalism, and old antisemitism, and historical memory of the Nazis as the enemies of Russia, makes the Ukraine fertile ground for this I guess. But keep in mind they are not all Nazis, and hope saner heads get a handle on things.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I think they've officially dumped that symbol, sort-of, not completely.

In much the same way the American South "dumped" the Confederate battle flag.

The Svoboda "swastika" was seen prominently in Maidan, along with Right Sector and UPA flags.

John

[Bigerik]

The problem of course is that there are no diplomats in Washington. Maybe they need to drag Kissinger out of retirement. Even at 90, he's likely sharper then anyone else in that town.

At least we have learned one thing about Kerry; he can sure deliver a funny line with a straight face!!

[bobabode]

Well, to be fair Kerry was talking about the Shrub but I get what you mean. I had to chuckle when Kerry made that statement too.

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China warns of dangerous Russia sanctions 'spiral'
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A2C0PB20140313

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I don't think it will cool down anytime soon. It remains to be seen whether the EU grows some cojones and presents a united front with us against Putin's influence. I kinda doubt it. It'll fester.

Pat, isn't this within the Russia "sphere of influence?"

I mean, if we went into Canada for a similar reason????

We went halfway around the globe to invade Iraq.

I don't know just how a truly neutral and unbiased look at this would be.

I am trying to form an opinion on all this.

I would appreciate your "smarts" on this.

If you have spoken to this elsewhere I have missed it, I don't stop in as often as I should.

all the best

ed

[piece-itpete]

As far as the new Ukrainian government, perhaps we should wait and see before forming opinions. We have Putins actions to go on with no conjecture necessary.

I mentioned our favorite KBG agent will end up with the Crimea with almost no pain. But the sabre rattling in Eastern Ukraine continues, 'he will use troops to protect Russians there'. When I agree with Hillary mark the date.

Pete