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04-25-2018, 10:57 AM
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So you don't know what Flynn nor Gates are really guilty of, yet you are sure that there was NO Russian interference in the 2016 elections?
And that Mueller's investigation is politically motivated?
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No, I'm not "sure". But the facts available so far don't support it. In fact, I'm not even sure that Mueller is still looking at the possibility of "collusion" given what he's done so far.
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Why doesn't the GOP stop this investigation? An act of Congress would do it and Trump can sign it into law? But they won't and do you know why?
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Yes, I think the answer is obvious, and the answer also supports the belief that the investigations are political in nature. The answer is not that there's any risk to Trump personally. The answer is that that this is an election year, and no one wants to risk roiling the political waters.
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Instead Nunes and other sycophants are doing their best at tarnishing the reputations of the FBI and the Justice Department while the investigation continues. Do you know why?
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Yes, see prior answer. Its an election year. Go back and look at how the Clinton "sycophants" treated Ken Starr. Its the same reason/answer.
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04-25-2018, 11:28 AM
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Just off the cuff, are you equating WJC lying about his fling with Monica with Trump's suspected transgressions. In that case, his lying about Stormy alone should get him impeached. It's a felony if proven, Stormy will happily testify to that effect and besides Mueller has Cohen's files. Why even bother with Russia? Lock the moron up.
Your counter arguments are getting leakier and leakier.
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04-25-2018, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Rajoo
Just off the cuff, are you equating WJC lying about his fling with Monica with Trump's suspected transgressions. In that case, his lying about Stormy alone should get him impeached. It's a felony if proven, Stormy will happily testify to that effect and besides Mueller has Cohen's files. Why even bother with Russia? Lock the moron up.
Your counter arguments are getting leakier and leakier.
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The scenarios are different, so there's no way to equate them. Clinton's issue was lying under oath to the Special Counsel about his dalliance with Monica. Trump has not testified under oath about his dalliance with Stormy, so he cannot face the same liability that Clinton did. Clinton never faced impeachment over his public statements about Monica (including his podium pounding statement that he never had sexual relations with that woman...), nor would those statements caused him criminal liability.
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04-25-2018, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by whell
No, I'm not "sure". But the facts available so far don't support it. In fact, I'm not even sure that Mueller is still looking at the possibility of "collusion" given what he's done so far.
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It is strange that Mueller has not called on Natalia Veselnitskaya.
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04-25-2018, 04:10 PM
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The scenarios are different, so there's no way to equate them. Clinton's issue was lying under oath to the Special Counsel about his dalliance with Monica. Trump has not testified under oath about his dalliance with Stormy, so he cannot face the same liability that Clinton did. Clinton never faced impeachment over his public statements about Monica (including his podium pounding statement that he never had sexual relations with that woman...), nor would those statements caused him criminal liability.
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But Stormy testifying under oath their dalliance and the subsequent hush money can charge Trump with a felony. Can he then be impeached?
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04-25-2018, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by whell
The scenarios are different, so there's no way to equate them. Clinton's issue was lying under oath to the Special Counsel about his dalliance with Monica. Trump has not testified under oath about his dalliance with Stormy, so he cannot face the same liability that Clinton did. Clinton never faced impeachment over his public statements about Monica (including his podium pounding statement that he never had sexual relations with that woman...), nor would those statements caused him criminal liability.
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The affair is not the issue. He can still be guilty of election law violations, perjury (if and when he testifies under oath to Avennati or the SDNY), not to mention boatloads of financial crimes in cahoots with Cohen. Trump is in plenty of legal jeopardy from the SDNY and Mueller (and if he wasn't, he'd shut the hell up and not try to undermine the DOJ/FBI). Be patient, grasshopper. The real shitstorm hadn't even started yet.
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