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Old 05-21-2009, 10:43 AM
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...the end result being a nation where the wealth is now held by 1% and the other 99% slaves to those who hold the wealth.
Seriously, I get the impression that this is the eventual goal. Conspiracies abound about world governments. Bilderberg Society or CFR, anyone?

Intelligent people acknowledge the blunt fact that we as a nation and most likely a planet are bankrupt. The kitty is empty. The vault is bare. Our debts far outweigh our abilities to ever pay it back. It's not a matter of liquidity, but solvency. And so on.

Now, back to the OP's question. Chevy and Chrysler, what can be done.

Dozens of US carmakers vanished in the Depression. Chevy (GM) and Chrysler need to be drastically downsized to match their respective share of the auto market. Yes, it will hurt. But this isn't the 1960's anymore. They have capacity far in excess of what the market will support. But they need to realize that as taxpayers and forced shareholders, we will not give them a blank check to get them on their feet. The problem is that IMHO we've already given them far too much money.

Poorly run businesses simply do not deserve to continue. Ford saw this coming and started closing plants years ago. GM and Chrysler stuck their heads in the sand and denied reality and kept dreaming of the past, aided and abetted by stockholders who agreed with their unrealistic views. Time to pay the piper.
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Old 05-21-2009, 11:34 AM
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Still think GM lost it when they threw out Alfred P. Sloan's business model that had served them so well for 50 years, back in the '80s. They have been waffling around ever since, going from one "flavor-of-the-month" to another ever since. I also don't think the gov't taking over GM & Chrysler is really the answer, either-Name me ONE THING the gov't runs well...But as I've said before, the car companies, their suppliers, the UAW, & the gov't should have set down, & learned how to work WITH each other, rather than kept up the "Screw You, Jack" mentality they still have. The boat's on fire on one end, & there's a big hole in the other end, boys, you'd better try to save it, or we're ALL gonna go down the tubes...
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Old 06-03-2009, 03:46 PM
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Still think GM lost it when they threw out Alfred P. Sloan's business model that had served them so well for 50 years, back in the '80s. They have been waffling around ever since, going from one "flavor-of-the-month" to another ever since. I also don't think the gov't taking over GM & Chrysler is really the answer, either-Name me ONE THING the gov't runs well...But as I've said before, the car companies, their suppliers, the UAW, & the gov't should have set down, & learned how to work WITH each other, rather than kept up the "Screw You, Jack" mentality they still have. The boat's on fire on one end, & there's a big hole in the other end, boys, you'd better try to save it, or we're ALL gonna go down the tubes...
Amtrack, classic text book example of the Government running something.

Now maybe it works better near the big population centers in the Northeast, but here in Missouri it's a joke. The tracks run right through the center of town, so I spend a lot of time stuck at a crossing, and see two or three Amtracks each week.

They generally have the engine with three or four cars. Generally, I see maybe two or three heads when I look in the windows.

Now they have a shuttle which runs between KC and St. Louis (which is probably what I see), and about a year ago there was a big contest to give it a name.

Well, since it's a Missouri train, and our state animal is the mule, I thought about suggesting "The Jackass Express". But I didn't, figured it would just make someone mad.

I had some even better names that I won't go into...didn't want a black Crown Vic following me around.

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