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10-22-2015, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dondilion
No sympathy for the worker who tries so hard to satisfy a big company like Amazon and still loses the job?
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Cats answered as well, or better, than I could.
Jeff, and others like him, suffer from the "entitlement" problem.
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10-22-2015, 05:32 PM
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Persona non grata
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Originally Posted by catswiththum
I sure have sympathy - it was a rotten story.
But it was written as a tear-jerker and designed to light the fires of righteous indignation against the wrong target, Amazon.
Why was this guy not better prepared to take on the responsibility of helping to provide for theirchildren? Did his parents or the school system not teach him or show him somewhere along the way what his prospects were and how to improve them?
He seemed like a hard working guy who wanted to do better - why didn't he?
Did he, himself, not consider how he was going to make a living? Did he have a plan? He went to DeVry - that's a plan - what happened? We don't know.
There will always be low paying Amazon type jobs as long as we, the consumer, demand lower prices and faster delivery. And those low paying jobs are fine for someone looking to make a little extra $ on the side, college kids, etc. Not support a family.
We can rail against Amazon, Walmart, etc. all day, but we only have absolute control over one thing - our own choices.
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10-22-2015, 06:28 PM
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Jigsawed
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Originally Posted by JJIII
Cats answered as well, or better, than I could.
Jeff, and others like him, suffer from the "entitlement" problem.
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What entitlement?
Enlighten me where Jeff indicated that he was entitled to anything.
Jeff's behavior indicated that he was man full of "hope"...that is all.
I guess "entitlement" is the new buzz word.
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10-22-2015, 06:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dondilion
What entitlement?
Enlighten me where Jeff indicated that he was entitled to anything.
Jeff's behavior indicated that he was man full of "hope"...that is all.
I guess "entitlement" is the new buzz word.
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It's a bash the goddamn workers meme. Bash them even when they never do anything wrong, never say a single word, just work till they drop dead. God damn the workers who think they are even entitled to breathe.
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10-22-2015, 07:01 PM
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There's not really a lot here. Guy had something wrong, he was working hard, and it killed him. He just drew a lousy hand.
Did Amazon do wrong? Is it wrong to put a labor contractor in there to treat the workers like horses so you don't have to? I don't know.
Is the guy a stupid who should have done more smart things? I don't know.
Like i say, not a lot here. Just business. No one to hang. But I know whose interest it is now to trash the guy, and I sure don't like that. The meaning people choose to put on things speaks real loud sometimes.
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10-22-2015, 09:09 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2015
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Originally Posted by donquixote99
There's not really a lot here. Guy had something wrong, he was working hard, and it killed him. He just drew a lousy hand.
Did Amazon do wrong? Is it wrong to put a labor contractor in there to treat the workers like horses so you don't have to? I don't know.
Is the guy a stupid who should have done more smart things? I don't know.
Like i say, not a lot here. Just business. No one to hang. But I know whose interest it is now to trash the guy, and I sure don't like that. The meaning people choose to put on things speaks real loud sometimes.
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Amazon is not "wrong" if they adhere to the law - but they are open to public criticism via the same internet that drives their business model - and that is a good thing and how it is supposed to work.
The guy wasn't stupid - I don't know the whole story because the article didn't tell us - it appears he didn't plan well and made some poor decisions, but we don't know.
* And someone who is so inclined might also have a look at who in the Richmond city gov. and the Virginia Governor's office is responsible for convincing new, quality employers to set up shop in the State.
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10-22-2015, 11:27 PM
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Some of you guys are really ignorant about medical emergencies. Amazon and/or the contractor intentionally told their workers NOT to call 911. WTF? A person with a stopped heart needs to have a paramedic team arrive within 5 minutes to stop irreversible brain damage. Amazon did not call 911 until after 9 minutes had passed. Now I know they had an in-house medical response team but there is no way in hell they are as good as the guys out in town going on calls in ambulances. If they were good enough they would be able to transport the worker to the hospital themselves in an Amazon ambulance, which they obviously do not have.
Amazon telling employees not to call 911 during their orientation but their own "company town" medical squad really strikes me as immoral.
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10-23-2015, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by icenine
Some of you guys are really ignorant about medical emergencies. Amazon and/or the contractor intentionally told their workers NOT to call 911. WTF? A person with a stopped heart needs to have a paramedic team arrive within 5 minutes to stop irreversible brain damage. Amazon did not call 911 until after 9 minutes had passed. Now I know they had an in-house medical response team but there is no way in hell they are as good as the guys out in town going on calls in ambulances. If they were good enough they would be able to transport the worker to the hospital themselves in an Amazon ambulance, which they obviously do not have.
Amazon telling employees not to call 911 during their orientation but their own "company town" medical squad really strikes me as immoral.
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I expect the guy would have died even if 911 had been called first thing, but good point.
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10-23-2015, 06:15 AM
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Jigsawed
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Quote:
Originally Posted by icenine
Amazon telling employees not to call 911 during their orientation but their own "company town" medical squad really strikes me as immoral.
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At the minimum, bad intent.
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10-23-2015, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by donquixote99
I expect the guy would have died even if 911 had been called first thing, but good point.
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You are correct, but the gold standard of all medical responses to heart attacks, drowning, strokes, etc is to call 911 first.
You never know...but 911 should have been called the moment he was found.
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