Big Climate Change PAC Plans For '14 Races

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

That is a helluva accomplishment. What you are doing is demonstrating the positive aspects of capitalism. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like your first motivation was to produce products in a sustainable way. You took the time to figure that out. You didn't take shortcuts, but took the time to do it right and produce excellence. As a result, you are reaping a reward. What you have done is infinitely more valuable than determining how to manipulate wealth for wealth's sake.

Regards,

D-Ray

Yes. I have a little Prepper in me & that got me thinking. Storing food is not a long term solution & does nothing for your wallet or taste buds. I discovered Permaculture & was blown away with what is possible in horrible deserts & became addicted.

[CarlV]

A good friend of mine's daughter spent about 5 years out in the AZ desert doing that. I was trying to think of the place but it escapes me. It didn't much sound like he had fun driving out there but he sure enjoyed the end result of seeing his daughter and her work there.



Carl

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by CarlV

A good friend of mine's daughter spent about 5 years out in the AZ desert doing that. I was trying to think of the place but it escapes me. It didn't much sound like he had fun driving out there but he sure enjoyed the end result of seeing his daughter and her work there.



Carl

That reminds me, it's about time for my annual viewing of Zabriske Point.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w25VNoHhwPo

[piece-itpete]

dj - hippy!



That's interesting, thanks. I would argue though that while we might be able to manage it better, even much better, we are overtaxing our life support system and eventually it's going to crash.

Pete

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

dj - hippy!



That's interesting, thanks. I would argue though that while we might be able to manage it better, even much better, we are overtaxing our life support system and eventually it's going to crash.

Pete

I think financial collapse will happen first. We will need local sustainable food systems to get through it. Even if I'm wrong, lets just do better.
I don't understand why people look at agriculture as if mother nature changed her name to BASF.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

I think financial collapse will happen first. We will need local sustainable food systems to get through it. Even if I'm wrong, lets just do better.
I don't understand why people look at agriculture as if mother nature changed her name to BASF.

Good line.

Regards,

D-Ray

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Originally Posted by djv8ga

I think financial collapse will happen first. We will need local sustainable food systems to get through it. Even if I'm wrong, lets just do better.
I don't understand why people look at agriculture as if mother nature changed her name to BASF.

I don't think you're wrong at all.

My first comments on this thread were directed at the topic. As per campaigning for global warming and I feel it's a non issues for most. People see what affects them here and now, and thats the economy and there pocketbook.

I replied back to your question which is now shifting to farming and it's ill effects do to bad practices.

"And to think we can shift what the planet wants to do, because of the population growth is absurd. Everything is overexploited and human action creates a reaction."

I'll still stand by this comment.

I do agree in the 30s it was bad farming practices that destroyed the land. And their concern was to produce volume without replenishing. But there was a reason for more demand. Population growth.

By the forties our government started to look at population growth, with the forethought of feeding the population. So we ended up with the Green Revolution for good or bad thats what happen.

I think you have far greater understanding of farming needs than I do. I never did it. And it's good that you're addressing it including locality.

I feel all these trade agreement shipping and trading food to other countries is wrong when not needed. It's not right to expend energy to grow in one location and ship it elsewhere only to import back to feed the same region.

The land it's self might be able if properly managed to sustain this population. But I would not be the one to know that. At our current point we are not far from it not doing so. If war brakes out I can see million dying over lack of food world wide. I believe your on the right thought in a financial collapse will happen first. Not this baby housing bubble either much bigger. And a war at it's worse a world war will issue.

My point on population growth is related to the exploitation fossil fuels.
Creating energy that we use to boost the production and efficiency of humans.
Petroleum and not getting into all it's contributing factors created a population explosion on this planet. Without it we would have never see this growth over the 20th century. Which at some point we will dwindle it's resource and the population will decrees as well.

The greater the population the more exploitation of the earth. The more we harm the earth the more she will kick back. In the end population will be reduced.

Thanks djv8ga for giving a damn and bringing a positive note to this thread. And to think you did it without mention of carbon tax.

[djv8ga]

If anyone thinks we need BASF & the rest, take a look. Take note of profits - http://oardc.osu.edu/5112/Organic-Co...ld-in-Ohio.htm

[djv8ga]

I don't disagree that population can/will be a problem...that would be ignorant.
We need to concentrate on solutions and not become brainwashed that we are doing everything correctly, efficiently, & ethically because industry, government, or some political ideology tells us so.

Hello...My Name Is DJV8GA And I'm A Tea Party Environmentalist.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

I don't disagree that population can/will be a problem...that would be ignorant.
We need to concentrate on solutions and not become brainwashed that we are doing everything correctly, efficiently, & ethically because industry, government, or some political ideology tells us so.

Hello...My Name Is DJV8GA And I'm A Tea Party Environmentalist.

I fully agree with your statement. I also see what your doing as part of the solution and not the problem.

You could even make are industry out of regenerating soil quality. I have a friend that has a business testing soil in Oregon for potato farmers. I don't know all of his involvement if he make recommendation or anything. He is always extremely busy and make a good living.

Perhaps you two should talk, especially if he gives recommendations?