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11-18-2016, 08:33 PM
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No, they got you.
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Yep.
You know the next one is going to be a move to abolish the electoral college by the left. And, despite what happened in 2000 and this year it is quite possible that in the long run a Republican has better odds in the popular vote since the Democrats get 100% of the electoral votes fairly reliably in the largest states with some variable percentage of the popular vote.
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11-18-2016, 08:36 PM
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No, they got you.
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Good one Robert, I think... but that's par for the course with you.
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11-18-2016, 08:56 PM
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Yep.
You know the next one is going to be a move to abolish the electoral college by the left. And, despite what happened in 2000 and this year it is quite possible that in the long run a Republican has better odds in the popular vote since the Democrats get 100% of the electoral votes fairly reliably in the largest states with some variable percentage of the popular vote.
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I know that for right wingers political advantage is all that counts but I'd be willing to risk political advantage for the sake of fairness. There's nothing fair about a 'democracy' in which loser gets a couple million more votes than the winner.
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11-18-2016, 08:59 PM
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Jus wondering if you guys think Harry Reid was shortsighted when he abolished the Senate tradition on many appointees ?
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Didn't seem to matter for an appointment to the Supremes by a POTUS the 'Pubs want to see fail.
I don't necessarily want to see the demagogue in waiting fail, I just don't expect much at all out of this admin of a positive legacy.
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11-18-2016, 09:04 PM
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I know that for right wingers political advantage is all that counts but I'd be willing to risk political advantage for the sake of fairness. There's nothing fair about a 'democracy' in which loser gets a couple million more votes than the winner.
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They argued about that when it was originally designed. Hamilton wanted a balance between the popular voters rights and states rights as he described in the Federalist Papers.
Fair is relative I suppose. Is it fair for a handful of counties in a handful of states to tell the majority of states and counties what to do.
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11-18-2016, 09:14 PM
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They argued about that when it was originally designed. Hamilton wanted a balance between the popular voters rights and states rights as he described in the Federalist Papers.
Fair is relative I suppose. Is it fair for a handful of counties in a handful of states to tell the majority of states and counties what to do.
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Why should someone in North Dakota's vote count more than someone's in California? We're long past federalism and the artificial measures, like the 3/5 rule, aimed at making all the member states equal.
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11-18-2016, 09:38 PM
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Why should someone in North Dakota's vote count more than someone's in California? We're long past federalism and the artificial measures, like the 3/5 rule, aimed at making all the member states equal.
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Because people in California might as well be on a different planet as people in North Dakota.
Not so much different than people in North Dakota being ruled by England.
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11-18-2016, 09:52 PM
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Because people in California might as well be on a different planet as people in North Dakota.
Not so much different than people in North Dakota being ruled by England.
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Nor should England or California be ruled by North Dakota.
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11-18-2016, 09:54 PM
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Because people in California might as well be on a different planet as people in North Dakota.
Not so much different than people in North Dakota being ruled by England.
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You've obviously never seen Kern county, California or most of the San Joaquin valley for that matter.
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11-18-2016, 11:31 PM
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You've obviously never seen Kern county, California or most of the San Joaquin valley for that matter.
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That's right.
A lot of California is red. The blue parts are concentrated in the Bay Area and LA.
My husband is a fourth generation Californian and his dad was involved in politics back in the late fifties and early sixties. Husband insisted that California was very much republican back then and I didn't believe him until I googled the political history of the state. He was right.
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