FAKE NEWS EXPOSED: A Service of PoliticalChat.com

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

I think we've let the genie out of the bottle with making this all very public - likely made public for politic's sake - and we're going to have a very difficult time conducting an objective examination of the facts in this case.

... so let's not bother trying. Let's give Russia free hand to intervene in democratic elections in the USA, Germany, Italy and elsewhere because intelligence is never absolutely perfect.

Per Michael Hayden (former CIA and NSA Chief), Trump's appropriate response to this should have been along the lines of:

An administration-in-waiting more confident in itself, in its own legitimacy, in U.S. institutions and in the people it will soon govern might have said, “These are serious issues. We intend to hear them out. Nothing is more precious than our democratic process. We have asked the Obama administration for details.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...0ae_story.html

I'm afraid der Trumpenfuhrer didn't meet this standard of statesmanship.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

... so let's not bother trying. Let's give Russia free hand to intervene in democratic elections in the USA, Germany, Italy and elsewhere because intelligence is never absolutely perfect.

I'm afraid der Trumpenfuhrer didn't meet this standard of statesmanship.

Didn't say that, did I? Keep slinging that crap though, Finn. You never know what might stick.

The point, again, is that this is an investigation that needs to be conducted as most investigations are: by professionals, in private and the details released once a conclusion can be drawn that is based on facts and not half baked conjecture. Have Obama and Clinton making public allegations unsupported by facts ahead of any complete investigation doesn't meet the standard of statesmanship.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Didn't say that, did I? Keep slinging that crap though, Finn. You never know what might stick.

The point, again, is that this is an investigation that needs to be conducted as most investigations are: by professionals, in private and the details released once a conclusion can be drawn that is based on facts and not half baked conjecture. Have Obama and Clinton making public allegations unsupported by facts ahead of any complete investigation doesn't meet the standard of statesmanship.

As the Reuters article articulated, Russia's exact intent can never be ascertained with certainty unless the CIA had an undercover agent directly involved in Russian decision-making in this matter.

Your position is that there is a material difference between Russia hacking the election and releasing material only harmful to Clinton and Russia hacking the election with the intention of only releasing material harmful to Clinton. This is a distinction without a difference and intended to obfuscate the significance of what happened.

Back to your original assertion of this being "fake news." Both the Times and the Post reported both the CIA's assessment and that the FBI wasn't willing to go as far in terms of provable intent (though all intelligent agencies agreed on Russian involvement (and have since the October 7 joint public release of this stuff by DHS and DNI)). This is made clear in the NYTimes article you characterized as "fake news" as well as in the Reuters article you cited.

Accordingly, there is absolutely nothing fake about this news. Meanwhile, you continue to assert that any real news that may reflect negatively on or prove inconvenient to Trump is fake. It seems to me that logic and deduction aren't exactly your strong suits.

[Rajoo]

With both the GOP House and the Senate wanting to have Russian hacking investigated should make this thread moot.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

With both the GOP House and the Senate wanting to have Russian hacking investigated should make this thread moot.

It would if it weren't for a significant number of House and Senate members continuing to spew the same silly shit that Whell is (not to mention Trump himself, Reince Preibus, Sean Spicer, Fox News, Limbaugh, Breitbart and other GOP "thought leaders") and Trump throwing the CIA under the bus in favor of defending Russia at every breath (whether in this matter or in Syria or the Ukraine).

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It would if it weren't for a significant number of House and Senate members continuing to spew the same silly shit that Whell is (not to mention Trump himself, Reince Preibus, Sean Spicer, Fox News, Limbaugh, Breitbart and other GOP "thought leaders").

Obama is not going to back off on his order to investigate Russian hacking at this point in time, unless he is a total wimp.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Obama is not going to back off on his order to investigate Russian hacking at this point in time, unless he is a total wimp.

He won't and shouldn't. He's basically saying to the GOP Congress and Trump "either you support our intelligence agencies or Russia. Which is it?"

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by finnbow

He won't and shouldn't. He's basically saying to the GOP Congress and Trump "either you support our intelligence agencies or Russia. Which is it?"

Very well put and the bait is well hooked.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Obama is not going to back off on his order to investigate Russian hacking at this point in time, unless he is a total wimp.

Obama has caved too many times.

[donquixote99]

He won't cave this time, because he has finally lost all hope. Seems paradoxical, but isn't.