Romneys "Loser" wins Car of the Year

[flacaltenn]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

It should be 'Car of the Year - for rich people'

Pete

You got it Pete.. Ego-trip "Toy" of the year for the 1%.. And like Obamas Nobel or Gores Oscar, we know that the standards have changed for these awards.

The model for all-electric vehicles is flawed by a policy that would shift our energy policy to DOUBLING electricity generation and distribution from the current emphasis on pulling 1watt chargers out of the wall and replacing light bulbs..

No need for that. Doesn't make sense. We COULD make electricity cheap and plentiful rather than rare and expensive, but that's not in the cards. Electric cars are great.. They should just be powered by fuel cells, not batteries.

[flacaltenn]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Some other cars that attained this lofty status:

The 2002 Ford Thunderbird.

The PT Cruiser.

The Chrysler Cirrus.

The 1990 Town Car

The AMC/Renault Alliance!

The Citation??!

The Dodge Aspen.

The Ford Mustang II?

The Vega.

Goodness, it's fun second guessing people

Pete

You get a special "Clarity Award" for that !!!

And WHY is this political? Because some of you think we ought to be throwing tax dollars thats gonna get manufactured ANYWAY? That's just graft... Not research -- not economic development..

[ebacon]

The Citation pwned. It had a vertical radio and X-body architecture. That made it badass in a Popular Mechanics magazine kind of way.

Plus I think Car and Driver pitted it against a comparable vehicle -- a Porsche. Friggin' rock and roll Detroit iron, hoes.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by flacaltenn

You get a special "Clarity Award" for that !!!

And WHY is this political? Because some of you think we ought to be throwing tax dollars thats gonna get manufactured ANYWAY? That's just graft... Not research -- not economic development..

No, what he gets is the Special Turd Picking Award. Check out the entire list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_T...ar_of_the_Year

It really is a crock of shit the way government throws some of its money at total crap that doesn't even go BOOM! What's up with that???

John

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by ebacon

The Citation pwned. It had a vertical radio and X-body architecture. That made it badass in a Popular Mechanics magazine kind of way.

Plus I think Car and Driver pitted it against a comparable vehicle -- a Porsche. Friggin' rock and roll Detroit iron, hoes.

A friend had whatever the Pontiac version of the Citation was. Iy really wasn't a bad car at all. Decent performance from the V6 version and a lot of interior room, given the overall size. Didn't handle all that bad either.

John

[flacaltenn]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

Those lefty, Democratic shills over at Motor Trend have just awarded the Car of the Year award to the Tesla Model S. Romney, the guy who lost the election, referred to Tesla as a "loser" since they had received government funding to develop their cars.

Bravo to Elon Musk and the fine folks at Tesla. Best way in the world to give a big FU to Mr. Romney.

Romney wasn't focused on Tesla.. They produce out of Fremont CA. The emphasis was on the subsidies and loans in general.. As pointed out by CBS --

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...ically-short-o

f-obamas-1-million-goal/

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Electric vehicles fall drastically short of Obama's 1 million goal
"We can replace our dependence on oil with biofuels and become the first country to have
a million electric vehicles on the road by 2015," Obama said in January 2011.

To get to one million, the White House pinned its hopes on 11 models of electric vehicles
- including the Karma. Our CBS News investigation found that six of the 11 -- Ford Focus,
Ford Transit Connect, Fisker Nina/Atlantic, Tesla Model S, Tesla Roadster and Think City
-- either haven't made their first delivery, stopped production, or are already out of
business.

Others aren't even close to the government's 2015 projections. For example, 36,000 Fisker
Karmas and 505,000 Chevy Volts were supposed to be made. But current projections slash
the Karma's 2015 number in half to 18,000 and put the Volt at one-eighth of the goal at
62,000.

(See chart below)

"I think these forecasts were very unrealistic, and history is showing that scaling an
automobile company is much more difficult than many of these people thought," Craig
Carlson, industry analyst and managing director of Carlson Group, Electric Vehicles, told
CBS News.

When told about the CBS News projection that only 300,000 electric vehicles would be on
the road instead of the proposed 1 million, the Energy Department's David Sandalow said,
"Well, let's hope that we can move faster. And if we don't hit that goal in 2015, let's
hit it in 2016."

CBS News pointed out that the Energy Department hoped that Think City would produce
57,000 cars, but only built 263 and went out of business. Ford Transit Connect was
supposed to make 4,200 vehicles, but only built 500 and filed for bankruptcy.

Editor's Note: Tesla says it will begin deliveries of the Model S on June 22, and that
its Roadster -no longer in production-- was always intended to be a limited run.

That's about $8,000 per vehicle, tax money -- thru 2015 for a goal that it is not gonna be acheived..

We SHOULD tax the rich more.. Elon Musk needs the money....

[ebacon]

Here is the Car and Driver issue with the Citation in it.

December 1980

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by flacaltenn

Romney wasn't focused on Tesla..

No, of course not.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddwood...s-tesla-gaffe/

John

[piece-itpete]

A new 5 series Beemer is a car for the masses?

Pete

[piece-itpete]

Btw, I don't know about reliability but the last thunderchicken was a great looker.

Pete