Zimmerman trial starts today.

[piece-itpete]

Skill and heart mean a LOT. Going by size will possibly give a false impression. I saw a small HS wrestler take down 3 guys like magic.

Here's the thing - it appears that, by their current law, Zimmerman is off the hook. It's why they didn't take him into custody immediately. As you said, there's only one story, with no contradictory evidence (that we know about) to boot.

So do we abide the rule of law?

Btw, a cop here was talking about Castle Law (home, not street) and said the burden of proof under these laws is on the trespasser - and dead men don't tell tales.

Pete

[barbara]

Pete, I would think there might be evidence of the 911 dispatcher telling Zimmerman to stay in his vehicle and let law enforcement handle it.

[piece-itpete]

Understood, but that's not the law in case, is my understanding.

Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Skill and heart mean a LOT. Going by size will possibly give a false impression. I saw a small HS wrestler take down 3 guys like magic.

Here's the thing - it appears that, by their current law, Zimmerman is off the hook. It's why they didn't take him into custody immediately. As you said, there's only one story, with no contradictory evidence (that we know about) to boot.

So do we abide the rule of law?

Btw, a cop here was talking about Castle Law (home, not street) and said the burden of proof under these laws is on the trespasser - and dead men don't tell tales.

Pete

1) T. Martin had no such training.
2) A SYG defense falls flat on it's face considering the police dispatcher advised Zimmerman to heel.
3) Of course, we abide the rule of law but Zimmerman disregarded #2. Is not the police dispatcher advising him not to go after the kid a lawful order?
4) Castle Law doesn't apply to this case, the kid was simply walking home from the store with Skittle's and tea. Zimmerman stalked, then confronted Martin and shot him dead. Those are the facts. All else is supposition and Zimmerman isn't a credible witness.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Understood, but that's not the law in case, is my understanding.

Pete

What do you mean that's not the law?

[CarlV]

Here is the text of the initial call to the Police Dept.

Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...
Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a
real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can
give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or
he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking
about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or
sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...
Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area...
Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.
Dispatcher: OK...
Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.
Dispatcher: OK—you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse...
Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the—he's near the
clubhouse right now?
Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.
Dispatcher: OK.
Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.
Z
Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?
Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens.
Dispatcher: Late teens ok.


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Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got
something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.
Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok
Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?
Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does
anything else.
Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the
clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the
clubhouse.
Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?
Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh
you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. Shit he's running.
Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.
Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
Zimmerman: The back entrance...fucking [unintelligible]
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah
Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Ok
Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?
Zimmerman: George...He ran.
Dispatcher: Alright George what's your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman
Dispatcher: And George what's the phone number you're calling from?


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Zimmerman: [redacted by
Mother Jones
]
Dispatcher: Alright George we do have them on the way, do you want to meet with the
officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman: Alright, where you going to meet with them at?
Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the
club house, and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they
go past the mailboxes, that’s my truck...[unintelligible]
Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of?
Zimmerman: I don’t know, it’s a cut through so I don’t know the address.
Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area?
Zimmerman: Yeah, I...[unintelligible]
Dispatcher: What’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman: It’s a home it’s 1950, oh crap I don’t want to give it all out, I don’t
know where this kid is.
Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes
then?
Zimmerman: Yeah that’s fine.
Dispatcher: Alright George, I’ll let them know to meet you around there okay?
Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at?
Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that’s no problem.
Zimmerman: Should I give you my number or you got it?
Dispatcher: Yeah I got it [redacted by
Mother Jones]
Zimmerman: Yeah you got it.
Dispatcher: Okay no problem, I’ll let them know to call you when you’re in the
area.
http://s3.documentcloud.org/document...-zimmerman.pdf

[piece-itpete]

The streets are a tough training ground.

SYG falls flat because the cops told him to forget it? Tell me how that works. He was part of a neighborhood watch. Where's the cops then?

Anyway I suppose we'll find out by and by.

Pete

[barbara]

Carl, thanks for that 911 report.

What stands out to me is that Zimmerman had already made up his mind this kid was trouble with no evidence except the kid's age, hoodie, and skin color.

It isn't a crime to walk through a neighborhood looking around.... Even in bad weather.

Why didn't Zimmerman wait for law enforcement to show up?

[barbara]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The streets are a tough training ground.

SYG falls flat because the cops told him to forget it? Tell me how that works. He was part of a neighborhood watch. Where's the cops then?

Anyway I suppose we'll find out by and by.

Pete

Pete, I remember reading that Zimmerman wasn't actually a part of any legitimate Neighborhood Watch Group. And, even if he was, those watch groups have strict rules about simply reporting suspicious behavior and then letting law enforcement handle it.

[CarlV]

Originally Posted by barbara

Carl, thanks for that 911 report.

What stands out to me is that Zimmerman had already made up his mind this kid was trouble with no evidence except the kid's age, hoodie, and skin color.

It isn't a crime to walk through a neighborhood looking around.... Even in bad weather.

Why didn't Zimmerman wait for law enforcement to show up?

That is what I get from the transcript too.


Carl