ObamaCare and Bankruptcy

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Vote with their brains? The instinctive, tribal parts maybe, not the logical parts.....

Amygdalanians Unite!

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

Name brand drugs, yes. Generics, not so much. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3999558/

So the one thing that report did not do was compare Canada and USA.

[MrPots]

We're about to find out what the price of life here in the US, and it'll be relatively cheap. Trumpcare is going to give it to us. Estimates of how much insurance premiums might increase under trumpcare are in and they are staggering. A woman with breast cancer might as well put a bullet through her head because insurance will be unaffordable for all but the very upper class. Even diabetes will make premiums unaffordable for most. Such is the cost of unbridled greed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-the...ould-cost-you/

Here in Tennessee, having breast cancer could raise premiums as much as 70K a year, diabetes, 9K, that's on top of the premium already being paid.

The bright spot? It would hit republican states the hardest. Karma is a bitch.

[whell]

Originally Posted by merrylander

So the one thing that report did not do was compare Canada and USA.

What are you talking about? Unless you're suggesting that Ontario is no longer part of Canada. Here's the link again, along with the relevant detail:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3999558/

Methods:

I used 2009 data from the IMS Brogan Canadian CompuScript and PharmaStat databases and studied the 100 most frequently dispensed generic products in Ontario, which has Canada's lowest generic prices. I compared these prices to those in public drug programs in the United States and New Zealand that use tendering. Using these alternative prices, I calculated the potential savings in Ontario.

Results:

Of the top 100 generic products, 82 were listed on an international formulary. In 90% of cases, generic products were less expensive in other countries. If Ontario had obtained the lowest comparator price for these products, the annual public sector and overall drug expenditure savings would have been $129 million and $245 million, respectively. Further, the province could have publicly paid for all these generic drugs – both public and private – and saved $87 million compared to current public sector expenditures.

[whell]

Originally Posted by MrPots

We're about to find out what the price of life here in the US, and it'll be relatively cheap. Trumpcare is going to give it to us. Estimates of how much insurance premiums might increase under trumpcare are in and they are staggering. A woman with breast cancer might as well put a bullet through her head because insurance will be unaffordable for all but the very upper class. Even diabetes will make premiums unaffordable for most. Such is the cost of unbridled greed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-the...ould-cost-you/

Here in Tennessee, having breast cancer could raise premiums as much as 70K a year, diabetes, 9K, that's on top of the premium already being paid.

The bright spot? It would hit republican states the hardest. Karma is a bitch.

You still don't get it, do you. Unless you just don't want to get it. One last time: the cost of premiums is not the issue we need to focus on. Cost of medical services is where the focus needs to be.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by whell

You still don't get it, do you. Unless you just don't want to get it. One last time: the cost of premiums is not the issue we need to focus on. Cost of medical services is where the focus needs to be.

Oh, I got that probably before you were even born. That's not going to happen until we socialize our healthcare system. In other words, never.

[whell]

Originally Posted by MrPots

You can pretend this isn't what our country is if you want. Lot's of people refuse to face it. Lots of people live in their own fantasy world we're we're number one YAY! Go ahead, get your confederate flag and fly it off the back of your truck if it makes you feel more manly...more patriotic.

If you'd open your eyes you'd see exactly where this country is goose marching towards.

Always wanted a pick up, but we're a minivan family. Alas, no good place to hang a confederate flag from a mini van.

[whell]

Originally Posted by MrPots

Oh, I got that probably before you were even born. That's not going to happen until we socialize our healthcare system. In other words, never.

Nope, that's just amplifying the cost issues that we have now. In other words, its like throwing gasoline on the fire.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Nope, that's just amplifying the cost issues that we have now. In other words, its like throwing gasoline on the fire.

Yet, the GOP has no ideas whatsoever to fix this dynamic. Instead, they try to peddle the fiction that selling health care is the same as selling widgets or automobiles and that a conventional supply & demand relationship exists in health care.

A traditional supply & demand relationship can only exist when a customer is working with complete information as to relative quality, effectiveness, availability and price. A person who gets in a car wreck, has a kidney stone or suffers a heart attack or stroke isn't able to evaluate the relative cost and efficacy of his health care options or the cost/benefit relationship of the various treatments/drugs offered to treat his condition (even if complete cost and quality information was available, which it isn't).

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Yet, the GOP has no ideas whatsoever to fix this dynamic. Instead, they try to peddle the fiction that selling health care is the same as selling widgets or automobiles and that a conventional supply & demand relationship exists in health care.

A traditional supply & demand relationship can only exist when a customer is working with complete information as to relative quality, effectiveness, availability and price. A person who gets in a car wreck, has a kidney stone or suffers a heart attack or stroke isn't able to evaluate the relative cost and efficacy of his health care options or the cost/benefit relationship of the various treatments/drugs offered to treat his condition (even if complete cost and quality information was available, which it isn't).

Yet, you're wrong again Finn. There are solutions out there, and they've been around a while. The problem is that the left and the AMA hate them, and them. You spout the lefty party line every time, for example, the topic of Health Savings Accounts/High Deductible Health plans are brought up. But that is certainly one element of the fix that needs to be implemented.

The conventional supply and demand relationship in health care doesn't exist when the consumer is removed from the equation. You cite examples of emergency medical treatment, but the decisions that are made between a doctor and a patient in an office setting occur far more frequently and account for significant costs in Medicaid, Medicare and private health insurance plans.