John Durham Loses Case, Clinton Campaign Lawyer Acquitted

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Not all cases are alike. Mueller's perjury/lying to FBI cases had irrefutable evidence and materiality (hence the guilty pleas). Durham's had neither.

Yet. Durham's investigation is still on-going

Originally Posted by finnbow

Also, I remember you whining about the Mueller cases being about "process crimes" that shouldn't be prosecuted. You seem to be changing your tune now.

My criticism was pretty specific. What we got from the millions spent on the Mueller investigation was the full force and weight of the Federal gov't loosed on individuals in search of collusion with Russia relating to the 2016 election, and Mueller's report specifically found no evidence that anyone in the Trump did so. But a prosecutor can't spend all that time and money and come up with nothing, so Mueller hung a few scalps over process crimes.

Durham's not done yet. But if the results are similar to Mueller's, I'll be just as critical.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

Yet. Durham's investigation is still on-going



My criticism was pretty specific. What we got from the millions spent on the Mueller investigation was the full force and weight of the Federal gov't loosed on individuals in search of collusion with Russia relating to the 2016 election, and Mueller's report specifically found no evidence that anyone in the Trump did so. But a prosecutor can't spend all that time and money and come up with nothing, so Mueller hung a few scalps over process crimes.

"Full force and weight of the federal government loosed on individuals...." Pundit speak, means about nothing, certainly not specific, punches a 'government picking on little guys' button,' but no substantive content. And they weren't little guys.

Originally Posted by whell

Durham's not done yet. But if the results are similar to Mueller's, I'll be just as critical.

Will hold you to that. But don't forget that Mueller's report also fairly shouted "Impeach Trump for obstruction of justice!" as should have been done but wasn't.

[Chicks]

Anyone who actually believes the Russians didn't help Donny get elected* is simply a damn fool.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Anyone who actually believes the Russians didn't help Donny get elected* is simply a damn fool.

I guess Mueller and his team are damn fools.

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

"Full force and weight of the federal government loosed on individuals...." Pundit speak, means about nothing, certainly not specific, punches a 'government picking on little guys' button,' but no substantive content. And they weren't little guys.

I think you missed my point

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by whell

I guess Mueller and his team are damn fools.

You are simply going to continue to ignore the facts. You're a damn fool.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...in-2016-198171

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Yet. Durham's investigation is still on-going



My criticism was pretty specific. What we got from the millions spent on the Mueller investigation was the full force and weight of the Federal gov't loosed on individuals in search of collusion with Russia relating to the 2016 election, and Mueller's report specifically found no evidence that anyone in the Trump did so. But a prosecutor can't spend all that time and money and come up with nothing, so Mueller hung a few scalps over process crimes.

Durham's not done yet. But if the results are similar to Mueller's, I'll be just as critical.

BS. Both Mueller and the GOP-led Senate Select Committee on Intelligence concluded that Russia used Republican political operative Paul Manafort and WikiLeaks to try to help Trump win the 2016 election and that Trump welcomed this assistance and appeared to coordinate with Wikileaks (through Roger Stone and Bannon).

Furthermore, despite the above conclusions from Mueller and the SSCI, “several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office,” and “those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference.”

If you want to read something from a reputable source rather than the MAGA nonsense you're so steeped in, here's a good rundown on the collusion aspects of Mueller:
https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/g...-on-collusion/

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

I guess Mueller and his team are damn fools.

Please point to where Mueller and team exonerated the Trumpites, Mike. None of your usual equivocating, please.

[donquixote99]

Of course Mueller and his team fully exonerated Trump. Trump said so.

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Please point to where Mueller and team exonerated the Trumpites, Mike. None of your usual equivocating, please.

My "usual equivocating"? LOL

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...html#document/

Right in the executive summary:

“Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Seems pretty clear to me, unless you think Mueller is equivocating too.