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05-11-2011, 03:02 PM
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I doubt that the wisest public policy now is to deplete our oil reserves. The development of alternative energy sources - and conservation strategies - should be a higher priority than drill baby drill.
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You'd also prefer to subsidize our pursuit of a questionable domestic energy strategy, and continue to enrich foreign oil interests, on the backs of working families who can least afford to pay inflated prices for gasoline, heating oil and oil - based products?
As far as depleting US reserves, reports vary, but most estimates place our oil reserves between 100 and 200 years of supply. Meanwhile, the administration continues to drag its feet allowing permits for drilling to proceed in the Gulf.
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05-11-2011, 05:46 PM
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Of course I did. Did you? You'd prefer to subsidize our pursuit of a questionable domestic energy strategy, and continue to enrich foreign oil interests, on the backs of working families who can least afford to pay inflated prices for gasoline, heating oil and oil - based products?
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it's one of the few links that you submitted that I read, I generally know better as I used to read them all the time and discovered that you did not.
the rest of your post is just a lot of crap as usual
just twisted bs rather than a real exchange
As you should know i don't play unravel whell's posts
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05-11-2011, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by whell
You'd also prefer to subsidize our pursuit of a questionable domestic energy strategy, and continue to enrich foreign oil interests, on the backs of working families who can least afford to pay inflated prices for gasoline, heating oil and oil - based products?
As far as depleting US reserves, reports vary, but most estimates place our oil reserves between 100 and 200 years of supply. Meanwhile, the administration continues to drag its feet allowing permits for drilling to proceed in the Gulf.
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No I do not accept that characterization. I would have, years ago, changed the emphasis from highway building, tax credits for oil companies, military action in the middle east, and support of suburban sprawl. I still think a critical part of energy policy needs to be to provide more alternatives to automobile transportation. Rather than making infrastructure investment in highways, make infrastructure investment in creative approaches to mass transit. Create incentive to slow down the sprawl by providing seed money for urban housing - not federal housing projects but attractive middle class housing. (notice I said seed money rather than tax credits)
We don't need to provide additional incentive to drill baby drill. As long as there is money to be made in drilling oil, it will be drilled. We need to direct the incentive toward conservation.
Regards,
D-Ray
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05-11-2011, 07:47 PM
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We don't need to provide additional incentive to drill baby drill. As long as there is money to be made in drilling oil, it will be drilled. We need to direct the incentive toward conservation.
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D-Ray
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Not if we have an administration intent on blocking drilling.
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05-11-2011, 07:49 PM
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it's one of the few links that you submitted that I read, I generally know better as I used to read them all the time and discovered that you did not.
the rest of your post is just a lot of crap as usual
just twisted bs rather than a real exchange
As you should know i don't play unravel whell's posts
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And, as usual, you just dismiss the post as "crap" without offering any substantive rebuttal.
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05-11-2011, 07:50 PM
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Not if we have an administration intent on blocking drilling.
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How much of this 100 to 200 year supply that you cite is offshore?
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05-11-2011, 07:53 PM
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I'd be interested in learning how the tax savings the various oil companies have enjoyed compares to the amount of the bribes they have paid to Arab dictators. I know that Gaddafi got a big chunk of the cash.
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05-11-2011, 08:22 PM
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Hey guys whats up?
I'm thinking there is just no incentive for lower prices or reduced consumption.
Who would they tax to make up for all the lost tax revenue? At first it seemed
a bad thing for citizens to get reamed by high gas prices. Now they are
spoiled by the increased taxes and kickbacks. And Democrats are just as
guilty as the Republicans.
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05-11-2011, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by whell
And, as usual, you just dismiss the post as "crap" without offering any substantive rebuttal.
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maybe reread your post and if you still can't figure it out ask around.
Hint, you continually make a completely bogus statement to be countered rather than allow for true dialog.
It's a waste of time.
I might disagree with the others posters on the right but we communicate and don't waste time screwing around distorting fact.
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05-11-2011, 10:26 PM
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Hey guys whats up?
I'm thinking there is just no incentive for lower prices or reduced consumption.
Who would they tax to make up for all the lost tax revenue? At first it seemed
a bad thing for citizens to get reamed by high gas prices. Now they are
spoiled by the increased taxes and kickbacks. And Democrats are just as
guilty as the Republicans.
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Hey Jack, Good to see you and your meticulous spacing of your posts back
around. There has certainly been some bad energy policy, and Democrats
haven't done anything to reverse it over the years. What I wasn't clear
about from your post is whether you think that conservation should be
a priority. Also, do you think that there is any benefit to continuing the
subsidies to the oil companies and to agribusiness?
Regards,
D-Ray
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