The Prez, The Poles, & Polish Americans

[barbara]

As far as the televised news is concerned, Romney being trumped by the Donald quickly overshadowed obama's slip of the tongue.

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by barbara

As far as the televised news is concerned, Romney being trumped by the Donald quickly overshadowed obama's slip of the tongue.

Now there is a surprise.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Perhaps that, rather than Obama's words, is the real source of discomfort.

Regards,

D-Ray

There were Native scouts with Custer (who, by the way, told him "run").

History is what it is.

I don't perceive any Presidential malice here. Just like when Bush stood in front of a "Mission Accomplished" banner (which was the carrier's, not his), it's been blown out of proportion.

[BlueStreak]

Uh, folks, when Germany occupied Poland, there wasn't exactly a massive groundswell of of support for the Jewish community from other Poles. They largely stayed out of the way as the Nazis filled up the cattlecars bound for Treblinka (Located in Poland) and elsewhere................

I'm just sayin'.

As I see it, referring to "....a Polish deathcamp..." was faux pas at worst.

Dave

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Uh, folks, when Germany occupied Poland, there wasn't exactly a massive groundswell of of support for the Jewish community from other Poles. They largely stayed out of the way as the Nazis filled up the cattlecars bound for Treblinka (Located in Poland) and elsewhere................

I'm just sayin'.

As I see it, referring to "....a Polish deathcamp..." was faux pas at worst.

Dave

Yep. Much ado about nothing. Political grasping at straws is how I see it. Thanks, DJ.

[Arkay]

There is such rampant distortion in the re-writing of history sometimes, it makes me sick.

You're saying that there were a few Polish people complicit in Nazi enforcement of death camps, and somehow Poles should be thrown in with Nazis in the persecution of Jews, and share blame for the death camps?

If so, SHUT THE F*** UP AND GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT, please, before you type another letter or utter another sound. Hitler HATED Slavs, especially Poles, almost as much as he hated Jews, and he persecuted them, too. That is historical FACT, that every elderly Pole would probably well know. There were many, many, many non-Jewish Poles put to death in the camps there, almost as many as there were Jews. That's a FACT, which you can confirm in now-public records, at least if you can read German and Polish. It used to be public knowledge in the aftermath of the war, but it seems largely forgotten today, probably because Poles have very little media voice and would rather not keep alive memories of occupation, whereas most media is owned by Jewish people, who aggressively keep their victimization alive in the public memory. It seems that time and an imbalanced situation is causing a total re-write of people's memory of historical facts.

The idea that Poles were somehow responsible for the death camps (which were SLAV AND JEWISH (BOTH!) killing machines!) is an outrageous, unconscionable distortion of history. If that is what is being implied here, then Poles SHOULD be outraged, livid at the accusations. I know I am.

But then again, Obama has stuck his foot in his mouth about overseas/foreign stuff about as often as Bush did, so it is no surprise (Cinco de Mayo, anyone?) if he has done it again. I'm just surprised it got reported on!

[JJIII]

Arkay is here with guns blazing!

Welcome, Arkay.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Arkay

The idea that Poles were somehow responsible for the death camps (which were SLAV AND JEWISH (BOTH!) killing machines!) is an outrageous, unconscionable distortion of history.

And the idea that they were 100% innocent is actually worse: it implies a lack of social conscience as well as unwillingness to address reality.

As I said, Indians rode with Custer.

It is what it is

[piece-itpete]

I'm sure Obama wanted to discuss the Polish turncoats and honor them for their service.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Arkay

There is such rampant distortion in the re-writing of history sometimes, it makes me sick.

You're saying that there were a few Polish people complicit in Nazi enforcement of death camps, and somehow Poles should be thrown in with Nazis in the persecution of Jews, and share blame for the death camps?

If so, SHUT THE F*** UP AND GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT, please, before you type another letter or utter another sound. Hitler HATED Slavs, especially Poles, almost as much as he hated Jews, and he persecuted them, too. That is historical FACT, that every elderly Pole would probably well know. There were many, many, many non-Jewish Poles put to death in the camps there, almost as many as there were Jews. That's a FACT, which you can confirm in now-public records, at least if you can read German and Polish. It used to be public knowledge in the aftermath of the war, but it seems largely forgotten today, probably because Poles have very little media voice and would rather not keep alive memories of occupation, whereas most media is owned by Jewish people, who aggressively keep their victimization alive in the public memory. It seems that time and an imbalanced situation is causing a total re-write of people's memory of historical facts.

The idea that Poles were somehow responsible for the death camps (which were SLAV AND JEWISH (BOTH!) killing machines!) is an outrageous, unconscionable distortion of history. If that is what is being implied here, then Poles SHOULD be outraged, livid at the accusations. I know I am.

But then again, Obama has stuck his foot in his mouth about overseas/foreign stuff about as often as Bush did, so it is no surprise (Cinco de Mayo, anyone?) if he has done it again. I'm just surprised it got reported on!

Originally Posted by Zeke

And the idea that they were 100% innocent is actually worse: it implies a lack of social conscience as well as unwillingness to address reality.

As I said, Indians rode with Custer.

It is what it is

Thanks, again, Zeke.

And Arkay;

No, that's not what I'm saying. Absolutes are rarely correct, my friend. The real world just doesn't work that way.

Dave