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Old 01-11-2023, 08:35 AM
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Former US attorney Barbara McQuade on investigations involving mishandling of classified documents:

“Cases typically are charged criminally only when an aggravating factor is present. The difference with Trump is that two of the four are met, and that is willful violation and obstruction. These two factors that are present for Trump do not appear to be present in the Biden case. These cases are very different.” McQuade added that if she was the US attorney reviewing the Biden case, she would decline to prosecute.

Her view corresponds to what James Comey said in 2016 in reference to Hillary's emails:

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

This correlates with my personal experience of having worked in positions requiring a security clearance for 38 years (20 of which was a compartmentalized Top Secret clearance). Security infractions involving mishandling of classified documents were nearly always dealt with administratively (personnel actions including revocation of clearance, demotion or termination). Criminal prosecution was only in the cards for infractions per the criteria outlined by Comey and were extremely rare.
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Old 01-11-2023, 09:26 AM
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The biggest difference I see here that Trump lied and continued to lie about the documents that he had in his possession that he had also unlawfully removed and then and moved to his home in S. Florida. Lock him up.
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Old 01-11-2023, 09:30 AM
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The biggest difference I see here that Trump lied and continued to lie about the documents that he had in his possession that he had also unlawfully removed and then and moved to his home in S. Florida. Lock him up.
That and the private residence thing. Both HUGE issues.
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Old 01-11-2023, 09:39 AM
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That and the private residence thing. Both HUGE issues.
Yes, unlawful removal, deceit and unlawful storage. Three strikes, so lock him up.
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Old 01-11-2023, 09:32 AM
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The biggest difference I see here that Trump lied and continued to lie about the documents that he had in his possession that he had also unlawfully removed and then and moved to his home in S. Florida. Lock him up.
Donny is incapable of telling the truth about anything. Some here are unable to comprehend that he is fundamentally different from the honorable Biden.
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Old 01-11-2023, 09:36 AM
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HCR's summary, on point as always:

Yesterday, news broke that in November, President Joe Biden’s lawyers found “a small number” of classified documents from his vice-presidential years in a locked closet in Biden’s former office at Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement. They immediately contacted the National Archives and Records Administration, which retrieved the documents the same day. Biden said that he did not know the documents were there and that his lawyers “did what they should have done” when they called NARA. Attorney General Merrick Garland assigned a Trump-appointed U.S. attorney, John R. Lausch Jr., to see if he should appoint a special counsel.

Trump and his supporters immediately tried to suggest Biden was getting better treatment than he did, but journalist Matthew Miller notes that classified documents often get taken from government facilities by accident. Those errors are reported, the documents recovered, and a damage assessment made to determine whether further action needs to be taken.

In Trump’s case, NARA repeatedly asked him simply to return the documents it knew he had. He refused for a year, then let them recover 15 boxes that included classified documents, withholding others. After a subpoena, his lawyers turned over more documents and signed an affidavit saying that was all of them. But of course it wasn’t: the FBI’s August search of Mar-a-Lago recovered still more classified documents. Trump is being investigated now for obstruction and violations of the Espionage Act, which makes it a crime to withhold documents from a government official authorized to take them.
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Old 01-11-2023, 09:47 AM
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With the facts we have, these cases are apples and oranges in the classified material handling world.

The case studies for training would be, do not do it like Trump, do it like Biden.
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With the facts we have, these cases are apples and oranges in the classified material handling world.

The case studies for training would be, do not do it like Trump, do it like Biden.
Precisely
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Old 01-11-2023, 11:35 AM
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Donny Fumes at Karl Rove Over His Fox News Analysis That Fmr. President’s Confidential Docs Issue is Worse Than Biden’s

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/tr...e-than-bidens/

Even Rove, a piece of “conservative” crap, gets it. This is a “nothingburger”.
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Old 01-11-2023, 01:53 PM
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The MAGA micro-minds have reduced it to just having the classified documents which allows them to clutch their collective pearls while ignoring the criminal acts by which the Mango Menace came to hold the documents that he tried to claim he didn't have at all, that he claimed the FBI planted, that he declassified with his mind, that he wants back because (finders' keepers) they're actually his.
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