The insurance companies are not science challenged

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Pukka Sahib

It’s no joking matter. Look at the evidence. The overwhelming scientific evidence indicates that global warming is occurring at an accelerated rate caused by hydrocarbon emissions into the atmosphere, and that anthropogenic activity is a significant contributing factor. What we know is that the polar icecaps are melting as evidenced by satellite imagery and decrease in mass verified by scientific measurements in situ. We also know that climate change occurs naturally as evidenced by core samples of the earth's surface. However, what we are seeing now is abrupt climate change; which the evidence links to the growth of the earth’s human population and activities over the past 250 years; and, most dramatically, in the last half century. What we know is that there is only a thin layer of ozone that shields the earth from the sun’s rays; and that it is being depleted by industrial emissions into the atmosphere resulting in the rise of the ocean temperature that generates the earth’s climate conditions. Just a small change in ocean temperature will affect the thermohaline conveyor leading to more harsh winter weather, reduced soil moisture and more intense winds in regions that provide the significant portion of the world’s food production, and cause a dramatic decrease in the human carrying capacity of the earth’s environment. The true test of science is empirical evidence - not political correctness. We must stop playing politics with this issue, and resolve to do something about it.

I'll agree, it's not a joking matter. Now whether the situation is as dire as you point out is another matter.

I realize that there are very intelligent people who have devoted their lives to this matter. I also realize that there are very intelligent people who have an agenda.

If you feed flawed data into a computer you will get flawed results. And, to the best of my knowledge, nothing that is happening now hasn't happened before. Or worse.

Whether or not this is the end of times is a moot point. Green energy just doesn't work at this time. Unless we want to go back to living in caves, burning wood, and raising turnips with a stick, we are going to require carbon fuels.

And I've said before, make green energy dependable and affordable, and I'll be the greenest SOB on the planet. But that will take time.

It's happening, only not quick enough to suit you, is my estimation.

We're on the same page, we just have different timetables,

Chas

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Charles

And I've said before, make green energy dependable and affordable, and I'll be the greenest SOB on the planet. But that will take time.

Chas

How do we do this without continuing to fund research and stressing the importance of it? If we continue to poo-poo "global warming" until it has become a dirty word, eventually it will become impossible to advance the technology.

The folks who are against "global warming" also have a less that pure agenda, methinks. Why is it that so many people think only one side is capable of harboring a sinister agenda?

Dave

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Charles

.... I'll be the greenest SOB on the planet. ...

I'll probably stay a kinda pale whitish pinkish.

Pete

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by Pukka Sahib

I told you that. See Post# 27, supra. The time for debate is over. It's time to take action now. Unless we reduce the pollution, the water temperature will continue to rise, which will have inevitable consequences. Still, we refuse to act, and go about oblivious to what is happening. Indeed, one would think that man had but small brains for refusing to see the cause of his own destruction.

Who woulda thunk Al Gore would join our group?

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Nah, all that blood would soak up too much oxygen.

Regards,

D-Ray

Lmao!

Originally Posted by Charles

Don't sell me short, I'm entirely capable of being a back shooter.

That's a GREAT tag line!

Originally Posted by Pukka Sahib

Two things must be initiated: (1) reducing population growth; and (2) reducing our dependence on fossil fuels. The world must take action on both fronts now. If we don’t take decisive action now, we are very likely to starve. The evidence indicates that the global warming is occurring at an accelerated rate. It’s time that we face up to the facts; or come face to face with the reality of global warming at the grocery store when we are fighting in the isles for the food on the shelves. If mankind is to survive, we need to stop denying the facts and resolve to change our ways.

Yes and empirical evidence - agree or be ignorant? Way too simple.

Anyway we do agree about one thing (I think), the planet is doomed. Fusion and space colonization is the only answer I see, unless the Chinese model of strapping women down and aborting their 9 month fetus is the new American way

Originally Posted by JJIII

Who woulda thunk Al Gore would join our group?

Bam!

Pete

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Anyway we do agree about one thing (I think), the planet is doomed. Fusion and space colonization is the only answer I see, unless the Chinese model of strapping women down and aborting their 9 month fetus is the new American way
Pete

I disagree, we have screwed up this planet, why should we be allowed to screw up another?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Pukka Sahib

Along with the problem of global warming, a concomitant (and politically incorrect) subject is overpopulation.

Sorry, but it seems that world overpopulation is a myth.

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2..._crash_ext2010

Moreover, population growth in the industrialized democracies, particularly Europe is too low.

http://www.globalenvision.org/library/8/1776/

Facts are stubborn things.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Sorry, but it seems that world overpopulation is a myth.

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2..._crash_ext2010

Moreover, population growth in the industrialized democracies, particularly Europe is too low.

http://www.globalenvision.org/library/8/1776/

Facts are stubborn things.

very interesting links

thanks again

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Pukka Sahib

It amounts to rampant overpopulation. Like lemmings, we shall breed ourselves out of existence. The unspoken truth, when you do the math, is that we are just one crop failure from starvation.

If this were even remotely true (it isn't), why are we converting our grain surpluses to ethanol or feeding it to livestock?

BTW, crop failures don't happen worldwide at the same time. For every place getting too little rain, another is getting too much and another just the right amount. Winter in the southern hemisphere is summer in the north. If Russia (or Australia) has a poor wheat harvest, we have a good one and vice versa - not to mention our vast reserves.

Calm down, sir.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Calm down, sir.

Maybe
mossbacked
scared him?

I know he spooked me.