The centerists social group

[Big_Bill]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Sounds nice. But, I think even people who consider themselves "centrist", (Myself included), really aren't as centrist as they think. Generally, one must take sides on an issue, or really not have a position at all. (If that makes any sense to ya.)

For instance, some might consider "Absolute Constitutionalsim" to be an extreme position.

See what I'm saying?

Dave

All things are relative Dave,

Even those that call themselves Left or Right Wingers, seldom agree on everything.

But if your more toward the center than the far right or left, you may be a centrist.

Bill

[Big_Bill]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

Sounds pretty right wing to me.

So, the Constitution is the only perfect thing ever created by man?

It may not have been "perfect" Bigerik,

But the men that wrote it included a way to correct it if and when needed. All that I ask is that those that wish to "correct" or change the Constitution, do so legaly, as perscribed by the Constitution.

Bill

[piece-itpete]

Elected federal officials swear an oath to protect the Constitution, not the people.

So apparently it's pretty important.

If it is ignored or subverted and the people are incapable of enforcing it or amending it our entire system of government is a lie and a farce. This is not left or right issue at all...

Pete

[Big_Bill]

Originally Posted by noonereal

The Constitution was written in a time before cars, trains, planes, internet, nuclear weapons and technology insane, for a few thousand people.

IMHO anyone that thinks it would be written the same by the same people today are not very enlightened.
The idea that we should literally follow a template that may as well have been written by an ancient civilization is ridiculos.

I'm very sure noonreal,

That if our Congress, Senate, Supreme Court and President were to rewrite our Constitution today, it would take them 30+ years and 5000+ pages to write. And it would be totally worthless legalese, unreadable and vague at best.

Even our Founding Fathers had many discussions and arguments over wording of this document. But the words are as meaningful today as they everywhere.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Bill

[neophyte]

Originally Posted by noonereal

The Constitution was written in a time before cars, trains, planes, internet, nuclear weapons and technology insane, for a few thousand people.

IMHO anyone that thinks it would be written the same by the same people today are not very enlightened.
The idea that we should literally follow a template that may as well have been written by an ancient civilization is ridiculous.

I happen to agree with you. Given that many, if not most supporters of such thinking blindly follow the bible, a superhero fantasy from thousands of years ago, one shouldn't be the least bit surprised.

[piece-itpete]

Many who disparage the Constitution are unhappy because it might prevent them from forcing their beliefs on others.

Btw, this relic from an ancient civilization has been very, very successful.

Pete

[painter]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Sounds nice. But, I think even people who consider themselves "centrist", (Myself included), really aren't as centrist as they think. Generally, one must take sides on an issue, or really not have a position at all. (If that makes any sense to ya.)

For instance, some might consider "Absolute Constitutionalsim" to be an extreme position.

See what I'm saying?

Dave

Right Blue! As far as being a "centrist"... Is that not where an Independent voter stands?

[merrylander]

Really no place for a conservative like me.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by painter

Right Blue! As far as being a "centrist"... Is that not where an Independent voter stands?

Not to quibble, but some consider themselves independent because both of the major parties are either too far to the left or to the right. For example, one who believed in socialist principles would not be satisfied with the Democrats' embrace of capitalism and might consider himself an independent.

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Not to quibble, but some consider themselves independent because both of the major parties are either too far to the left or to the right. For example, one who believed in socialist principles would not be satisfied with the Democrats' embrace of capitalism and might consider himself an independent.

Regards,

D-Ray

Lady and Gentlemen------Senator Bernie Sanders.

Dave