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Old 08-06-2018, 10:34 AM
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Today is the big day when Rick Gates, Manaofrt's partner in crime takes center stage in the trial as a witness for prosecution. But Gates has a huge credibility problem, he is as good or a better liar than Trump. So the gloves are sure to come off and realistically attacking Gate's credibility is the only defense they have. Let's hope Judge Elliot restrains himself from pontificating and let the two sides duke it out.

Rick Gates — and the lies he’s admitted telling — to take center stage at Manafort trial

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.3911fcedf008
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That was ~15 years ago. In the meantime, he has pillaged the Russian state of much of its wealth and has become the richest guy in the world, richer than Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos combined.
Browder is engaging in hyperbolic propaganda.

If Vlad forced the Oligarchs "to hand over large chunk of their holdings to him" he would not survive for two seconds.

Vlad inherited the Oligarch System and is first and foremost a nationalist. If he abuses the system to 'Browder' extent he would put his country at risk. What he has done over time is fine tune the system so that more of it serves the state.

Some thoughts from Bershidsky re pronouncement of Ellis.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...judge-is-right

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Old 08-06-2018, 12:46 PM
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Browder is engaging in hyperbolic propaganda.

If Vlad forced the Oligarchs "to hand over large chunk of their holdings to him" he would not survive for two seconds.

Vlad inherited the Oligarch System and is first and foremost a nationalist. If he abuses the system to 'Browder' extent he would put his country at risk. What he has done over time is fine tune the system so that more of it serves the state.

Some thoughts from Bershidsky re pronouncement of Ellis.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...judge-is-right
Oh really? Tell that to all the people he has misled, threatened and murdered. You're as much of a Putin sycophant as Whell is a Trump sycophant.
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What he has done over time is fine tune the system so that more of it serves the state.
How do you say 'L'etat, c'est moi!' in Russian?
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Old 08-06-2018, 01:04 PM
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How do you say 'L'etat, c'est moi!' in Russian?
состояние - это я

Those Russians have a different word for everything.
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I have seen some cold stares in my life but watching Paul Manafort stare down his former deputy, arms crossed, as Rick Gates recounted the long list of his alleged crimes was remarkable. #ManafortTrial
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Old 08-06-2018, 06:05 PM
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How do you say 'L'etat, c'est moi!' in Russian?
In a sense that is Vlad's dilemma.

The 'wild, wild west' transition from Communism worked against establishing institutions for respectable governance.

In addition there are ever present powerful forces trying to dismantle the state.

It appears that Vlad is attempting to establish church and state for continuity and stability.

Notice the restoration of Churches which were destroyed by the terrible Bolsheviks, the frenzied building of new ones and the elevation of leaders of the Orthodox faith.

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Old 08-06-2018, 06:24 PM
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состояние - это я

Those Russians have a different word for everything.
But no conjunctions.
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Old 08-06-2018, 06:27 PM
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In a sense that is Vlad's dilemma.

The 'wild, wild west' transition from Communism worked against establishing institutions for respectable governance.

In addition there are ever present powerful forces trying to dismantle the state.

It appears that Vlad is attempting to establish church and state for continuity and stability.

Notice the restoration of Churches which were destroyed by the terrible Bolsheviks, the frenzy building of new ones and the elevation of leaders of the Orthodox faith.
Co-opting the religious establishment is no doubt part of the strategy for regional cultural dominance.
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Old 08-06-2018, 07:48 PM
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In a sense that is Vlad's dilemma.

The 'wild, wild west' transition from Communism worked against establishing institutions for respectable governance.

In addition there are ever present powerful forces trying to dismantle the state.

It appears that Vlad is attempting to establish church and state for continuity and stability.

Notice the restoration of Churches which were destroyed by the terrible Bolsheviks, the frenzy building of new ones and the elevation of leaders of the Orthodox faith.
Gussy it up all you want. It's a kleptocracy run by a murderer. As for the church, they're doing exactly what the wahhabis did for the Saudi royal family or the Evangelicals for Trump - surrender the moral high ground for a seat at the master's table.
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