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Old 08-23-2017, 05:52 PM
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Time Place and Manner Restrictions

The First Amendment protects freedom of religion, free speech, free assembly and a free press.

Read charitably to gun rights advocates, the Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms.

Government is allowed to place reasonable time, place and manner restrictions on the rights protected by the First Amendment.

Shouldn't time place and manner restrictions be available with respect to purported Second Amendment rights. A reasonable restriction would be that when obtaining a permit to hold a demonstration, a condition of the permit is that the participants will not carry automatic weapons to the event.
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Old 08-23-2017, 07:07 PM
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The carrying of firearms at marches is more for intimation, only want the free speech from the Right to be heard. Suppressing disrupting eliminating other views by force if need be is the intended optics.

My views on gun restrictions are well know. There should never be allowed any open carry by citizens. Other then on their own private property.




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Old 08-24-2017, 08:22 AM
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The First Amendment protects freedom of religion, free speech, free assembly and a free press.

Read charitably to gun rights advocates, the Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms.

Government is allowed to place reasonable time, place and manner restrictions on the rights protected by the First Amendment.

Shouldn't time place and manner restrictions be available with respect to purported Second Amendment rights. A reasonable restriction would be that when obtaining a permit to hold a demonstration, a condition of the permit is that the participants will not carry automatic weapons to the event.
Explain why you believe that this would be a "reasonable restriction", since there are already an array or reasonable restrictions in most states on the ownership of such weapons, and 12 states where owning such weapons is illegal. In the states where ownership is allowed. Also, to obtain an automatic weapon, you have to apply to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms to get a permit to get it. You will have to pass a background investigation by the BATF to get the permit. You have to pay a $200 tax for the permit. You have to have the permission of the local law enforcement Chief (or County Sheriff) to keep the gun in their jurisdiction.

Also, if there's a concern that someone might create some mayhem with a firearm at an event, I'm not seeing much difference between using an auto versus a semi auto. Both will create plenty of death and destruction if the user is determined enough.

Finally, the whack job in Cnharlottesville and the jihadist truck and car drivers in Europe have shown the way to create plenty of mayhem in a crowded area without a gun. Way easier to buy a car, and likely less expensive to buy a car than an automatic weapon, and probably easier to get it into a crowded area or event. If you're a reasonably good driver with decent aim, you can probably kill or injure more with a car or truck than an automatic weapon.

So many options these days for the determined nut job, not sure if such a restriction would offer much deterrence.
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Old 08-24-2017, 08:35 AM
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I'm not "open carry" for practical reasons.
First, it creeps folks out, not everyone is into being intimidated by the open presence of gun carriers everywhere anytime. It also labels the non LEO carrier a 2nd Amendment nut job.

Second, it confuses LEOs, only they should open carry, IMO.

Third, it screams "shoot me first!" to potential bad actors. Cc at least adds the advantage of surprise to any response to a threat.
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:10 AM
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The First Amendment protects freedom of religion, free speech, free assembly and a free press.

Read charitably to gun rights advocates, the Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms.

Government is allowed to place reasonable time, place and manner restrictions on the rights protected by the First Amendment.

Shouldn't time place and manner restrictions be available with respect to purported Second Amendment rights. A reasonable restriction would be that when obtaining a permit to hold a demonstration, a condition of the permit is that the participants will not carry automatic weapons to the event.
Are you recommending that the permit allow the carry of single action and semi automatic firearms?
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Old 08-24-2017, 11:35 AM
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Are you recommending that the permit allow the carry of single action and semi automatic firearms?
You ask a good question. My proposed restriction was too narrow. It is not necessary for a peaceful demonstration to include any show of force.
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Old 08-24-2017, 11:41 AM
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Indeed, given how people act in groups, any weapons at a protest are provocative and present a danger to the peace.
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Old 08-24-2017, 04:04 PM
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The III%ters I have run into at the range are real pieces of work. All dressed up, on average five weapons. Playing Army with real weapons, all it is.
Anyone who thinks an few AR will stop a determined opposing force for more then a minute is fooling themselves.

Also Like Teller said, without Penn. Paraphrased, Trump to still be in office proves there is no Illuminati. (AKA New World Order)



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Old 08-25-2017, 09:38 AM
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The III%ters I have run into at the range are real pieces of work. All dressed up, on average five weapons. Playing Army with real weapons, all it is.
Anyone who thinks an few AR will stop a determined opposing force for more then a minute is fooling themselves.

Also Like Teller said, without Penn. Paraphrased, Trump to still be in office proves there is no Illuminati. (AKA New World Order)



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And this is what is so concerning about these people, they are children playing dress up with no concern of the consequences of their actions, because they are playing a game.
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