Point/Counterpoint

merrylander · #1 10-01-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Twodogs

When did health care become a "right"?

It is not necessarily a "right" but universal health care is simply good sense. Our greatest natural resource is our citizens, does it not simply make good sense to conserve that resource? We maintain our bridges and roads (well we used to until the GOP made us a third world country). Should we not also maintain our citizens.

It made good sense to the Conservative party in Canada, that is why they instituted the Single Payer plan.

Twodogs · #2 10-01-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by merrylander

It is not necessarily a "right" but universal health care is simply good sense. .

This is a decent argument, and I would agree whole heartedly agree but for the fact that our government is a sick, twisted collection of power hungry, lieing, incompetent, fools. If I was foolish enough to think for one second that our government as it is could do a better job than the private sector, I'd say go for it. There is too much proof in the history that says otherwise (IMO).

Fast_Eddie · #3 10-01-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Twodogs

This is a decent argument, and I would agree whole heartedly agree but for the fact that our government is a sick, twisted collection of power hungry, lieing, incompetent, fools. If I was foolish enough to think for one second that our government as it is could do a better job than the private sector, I'd say go for it. There is too much proof in the history that says otherwise (IMO).

Show me the bill that proposes a government run health care system that you would have to use. While, personally, I'm all for a single payer system that seems to work so well for so many other countries, I see no legislation proposed that would give us that.

So be against single payer if you like. But please consider supporting legislation that would prevent insurance companies dropping people if they get sick, prevent insurance companies from denying coverage for "pre-existing conditions" and allows people to keep their insurance if they lose their jobs. You know, since it has nothing to do with the concerns you are expressing.

noonereal · #4 10-01-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

, I'm all for a single payer system that seems to work so well for so many other countries, I see no legislation proposed that would give us that.

This was never on the table. Corporate America is to powerful to allow the average guy to have affordable healthcare. This is the real problem with American and capitalism.

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So be against single payer if you like. But please consider supporting legislation that would prevent insurance companies dropping people if they get sick, prevent insurance companies from denying coverage for "pre-existing conditions" and allows people to keep their insurance if they lose their jobs.

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This is not a concern, this only happens to the other guy. Oh yeah, and me.

painter · #5 10-01-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Show me the bill that proposes a government run health care system that you would have to use. While, personally, I'm all for a single payer system that seems to work so well for so many other countries, I see no legislation proposed that would give us that.

So be against single payer if you like. But please consider supporting legislation that would prevent insurance companies dropping people if they get sick, prevent insurance companies from denying coverage for "pre-existing conditions" and allows people to keep their insurance if they lose their jobs. You know, since it has nothing to do with the concerns you are expressing.

I agree. Not all issues here have addressed other concerns to a government system. Lets take the Catholic Hospitals and physicians for instance. A government plan...unless written to exclude those same doctors and hospitals from performing abortions OR what they deem against their religious beliefs....might fail. Many of these hospitals have excellent specialists. And the spiritual care needed. Just a thought...

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noonereal · #6 10-01-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by painter

the spiritual care needed

yeah that

Fast_Eddie · #7 10-01-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Twodogs

If I was foolish enough to think for one second that our government as it is could do a better job than the private sector, I'd say go for it.

The interstate highway system.
The CDC.
The space program.
Medicade.
The FAA.
The Millitary.
Social Security.
Postal Service.

Why do we continue to propogate the lie that the Governmet can't do anything? It's a slap in the face to every patriotic American. Canada can do health care but we can't? Nothing against Canada, but yeah, I think we can manage it. But I don't even have to look that far. Medicare provides health coverage that is less expensive than private insurance. I don't have to ask "can our government provide health care?" They're doing it. And it does work.