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09-28-2016, 04:05 PM
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UN Report: US Owes Black People Reparations for a History of "Racial Terrorism"
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09-28-2016, 04:31 PM
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hmm,
So where do we draw the line? My heritage includes german jew, my wife is cherokee indian. I think most all if not all folks come from a history of some atrocity. Why would I owe for something that was done in the distant past,something I had nothing to do with, and further not even by my family. I say that because my family was not part of the small percentage of wealthy that owned slaves. Of course slavery is reprehensible, but I didn't do it. I am not racist in anyway. Do I think that black people and white people have the same standard of living? Of course not. The question is why. I do not have the answer, and if someone can come up with an answer or just way to fix it, I am all for it and will participate fully.
So how do you atone for this? How do you make it right? What would it take to actually correct the situation and make the black people feel like they have been given justice? Seriously, how do you fix the problem?
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09-28-2016, 04:31 PM
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Nope, we don't owe reparations. We financed and fought a war over the issue of slavery at great expense in terms of lives and treasure. If there were a way to seek reparations from plantation/slave owners who directly profited from slavery, maybe. But I think that shipped sailed about a century ago. However, if you wish to start a charity and collect money from people who sympathize with your view enough to give money to the cause, have at it. Just don't call me.
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09-29-2016, 07:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by finnbow
Nope, we don't owe reparations. We financed and fought a war over the issue of slavery at great expense in terms of lives and treasure. If there were a way to seek reparations from plantation/slave owners who directly profited from slavery, maybe. But I think that shipped sailed about a century ago. However, if you wish to start a charity and collect money from people who sympathize with your view enough to give money to the cause, have at it. Just don't call me.
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love this perspective
thanks for the post
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09-29-2016, 08:41 AM
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love this perspective
thanks for the post
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Especially since the Civil War solved the problem.
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09-28-2016, 04:50 PM
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Until equal treatment for all is the norm, throwing money at the problem will do little except adding more fuel to the fire. Those who feel any payments or special treatment is a handout or "entitlement" will be upset. For being left out or having to pay.
My personal feelings is more needs to be done to bring all disadvantaged into a better life full of promise. Employment, education and or training yes even welfare. In this country where we have less then 1% earning hundreds of times the average workers salary and others homeless and starving a balance needs to be obtained. If not a forced one will come about in time, history has shown over and over.
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09-28-2016, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Oerets
Until equal treatment for all is the norm, throwing money at the problem will do little except adding more fuel to the fire. Those who feel any payments or special treatment is a handout or "entitlement" will be upset. For being left out of having to pay.
My personal feelings is more needs to be done to bring all disadvantaged into a better life full of promise. Employment, education and or training yes even welfare. In this country where we have less then 1% earning hundreds of times the average workers salary and others homeless and starving a balance needs to be obtained. If not a forced one will come about in time, history has shown over and over.
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If someone has a wound that is bleeding, no one complains about the futility of 'throwing bandages at the problem.' And if they need some stitching up, you get them that. And if they need some nursing, and some antibiotics, that too. You do what it takes to heal the wound, or it doesn't heal well, and breaks back open.
How things are in terms of economic justice, both for you and the guy getting out of the hospital, is important. It's not to be disregarded or deferred, but it's another question.
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09-28-2016, 05:28 PM
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Black people definitely got a bum deal from whitey but how do you make up for that? Cut em a government check for 50 or 100K each? The backlash would be horrendous.
Who gets the checks?
Does Barack Obama only get one for half the amount because he's half white?
But howabout the part white black people who got that white DNA from when the slavemaster raped their great great great grandmother? Maybe they ought to get more.
What a can of worms.
And then there's the Indians.
They took it in the ass from whitey too.
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09-28-2016, 05:45 PM
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The best thing we could do is pass and implement Universal Single Payer Healthcare, and tuition free college. That would benefit the poor more than anyone and since minorities are disproportionately poorer it would help even things up.
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09-28-2016, 05:49 PM
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The best thing we could do is pass and implement Universal Single Payer Healthcare, and tuition free college. That would benefit the poor more than anyone and since minorities are disproportionately poorer it would help even things up.
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Yeah and the best part is that we wouldn't have to take responsibility for the centuries of injustice, which continue to this very day, that we've heaped upon black Americans. Cool!
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