Zimmerman trial starts today.

[bobabode]

...or bored like me. What the hell, it keeps me off the streets and out of taverns. Cheers, Bob.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Oerets

As a rule I treat any person with a gun with caution. But rate a untrained armed person higher as a threat. Nothing more unsettling then a new permit holder carrying their baby. Seems they have to show it off to everyone. Now with the shortage in ammo the novice owner does not even have the experience from going to the range. But still carry a loaded weapon.

Not to long ago a father dropped his 38 two shot derringer when on a kiddy circus ride. Of course it fell on the hammer and went off. Thank God no one was hurt. One of the most unsafe weapons ever made if handled incorrectly. Yet was with children around.

At least a enforcement officer is trained in the use and safety of the weapon. Not so in my state for the common permit holder. Just last week a friend was showing off his HK auto, I had to show him the decocking drop BTW! He's had it for years and never knew it would do that???

Barney

I pretty much agree with what you've said. Out of curiosity, what state do you live in? From some of the things you've said, the provisions for a CCW permit appear lax to nonexistent. Basically a lack of a criminal record is the only criteria.

And in an earlier post, you mentioned a lifetime permit. I can't believe that there's a politician in the world who would miss the opportunity to collect a fee on an ongoing basis.

As to your friend with the H&K. I take it that he's not much of a shooter if he's unfamiliar with a decocker. Actually, I'm surprised that if he is such a rube that he would spring for an H&K.

Sounds more like a F.I.E. owner to me, although I do take your word.

No doubt my experiences with firearms owners are different than yours. The crowd I run with have been shooting every since their momma took away the rubber tit, and are pretty much in retirement...or at least close, such as myself. Then again, we used to live in a rural environment, until the last 20 years or so.

Of course, 20 years ago no one around here much carried a handgun...we generally carried a 12 ga or a .30-06. The Ruger 10-22 was pretty popular too, until they got customized to the point that they were too expensive to get skinned up in a pickup.

We just don't see firearms as a big deal. And we don't lug one around unless we see a reason to. And, at least speaking for myself, it you're going to go somewhere where a firearm for self defense is needed, you shouldn't go there in the first place.

Discretion is the better part of valor.

Chas

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Charles

I pretty much agree with what you've said. Out of curiosity, what state do you live in? From some of the things you've said, the provisions for a CCW permit appear lax to nonexistent. Basically a lack of a criminal record is the only criteria.

And in an earlier post, you mentioned a lifetime permit. I can't believe that there's a politician in the world who would miss the opportunity to collect a fee on an ongoing basis.

As to your friend with the H&K. I take it that he's not much of a shooter if he's unfamiliar with a decocker. Actually, I'm surprised that if he is such a rube that he would spring for an H&K.

Sounds more like a F.I.E. owner to me, although I do take your word.

No doubt my experiences with firearms owners are different than yours. The crowd I run with have been shooting every since their momma took away the rubber tit, and are pretty much in retirement...or at least close, such as myself. Then again, we used to live in a rural environment, until the last 20 years or so.

Of course, 20 years ago no one around here much carried a handgun...we generally carried a 12 ga or a .30-06. The Ruger 10-22 was pretty popular too, until they got customized to the point that they were too expensive to get skinned up in a pickup.

We just don't see firearms as a big deal. And we don't lug one around unless we see a reason to. And, at least speaking for myself, it you're going to go somewhere where a firearm for self defense is needed, you shouldn't go there in the first place.

Discretion is the better part of valor.

Chas

And I wish this was a more widely spread view of firearm ownership, but it is far too practical and doesn't garner votes or contributions.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Charles

I pretty much agree with what you've said. Out of curiosity, what state do you live in?
And in an earlier post, you mentioned a lifetime permit. I can't believe that there's a politician in the world who would miss the opportunity to collect a fee on an ongoing basis.

As to your friend with the H&K. I take it that he's not much of a shooter if he's unfamiliar with a decocker. Actually, I'm surprised that if he is such a rube that he would spring for an H&K.

Sounds more like a F.I.E. owner to me, although I do take your word.



Chas

Just nine miles North of the Ohio River from downtown Louisville KY in Indiana

There is talk from the new Governor on stopping the lifetime permit. But there is such a backlog on applications the wait is now a few months. But the receipt is as good as one. Been after my Son's and wife to get one before they go away.

What is F.I.E. BTW?

The friend with the H&K is a machinist at the Ford Truck plant for thirty years. Restores Bikes and tube gear. Knows how to use guns, just buys and sells them at auctions and so forth. Had it but never liked it because it as double action on every pull. The second shot was the same as the first. I was looking it over to see if it would work for the wife. That is when I decocked it to his surprise! He is one of the few people I would trust giving a gun to. I'm just saying even a person experienced in the use and handling firearms can be ignorant. I feel all should be trained, not everyone will take the time to learn the correct operations of their weapons. Not fun!

Safety accidents happen, my Father was shot in the heart by my Uncle at fourteen with a "unloaded pistol". Carried the slug the rest of his life.


Barney

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Just nine miles North of the Ohio River from downtown Louisville KY in Indiana

There is talk from the new Governor on stopping the lifetime permit. But there is such a backlog on applications the wait is now a few months. But the receipt is as good as one. Been after my Son's and wife to get one before they go away.

What is F.I.E. BTW?

The friend with the H&K is a machinist at the Ford Truck plant for thirty years. Restores Bikes and tube gear. Knows how to use guns, just buys and sells them at auctions and so forth. Had it but never liked it because it as double action on every pull. The second shot was the same as the first. I was looking it over to see if it would work for the wife. That is when I decocked it to his surprise! He is one of the few people I would trust giving a gun to. I'm just saying even a person experienced in the use and handling firearms can be ignorant. I feel all should be trained, not everyone will take the time to learn the correct operations of their weapons. Not fun!

Safety accidents happen, my Father was shot in the heart by my Uncle at fourteen with a "unloaded pistol". Carried the slug the rest of his life.


Barney

F.I.E. used to make, or at least sell some of the most miserable firearms in existence.

Concerning the H&K. I don't think I've ever seen a DAO with a decocker. I'm like your friend, I don't think too much of them.

Chas

[bobabode]

No Zimmerman DNA found under Martin's fingernails and none of Martin's DNA found on the gun.
If the fight happened as George re counted it? How is that even possible? He claimed that Trayvon grabbed his head and pounded it on the pavement, repeatedly.

[BlueStreak]

Both here, in VA and in my rural Ohio hometown, I have watched people tote around guns everywhere they go my entire life.................and had no sensible reason to do so. Still don't.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

I'm fortunate enough to be firing a Ar-15, a 1911, and a Mauser bolt action 22 this weekend among others

Don't carry but know folks that do, legally and illegally. If the fuzz can't protect you you have the right to protect yourself.

Pete

[barbara]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I'm fortunate enough to be firing a Ar-15, a 1911, and a Mauser bolt action 22 this weekend among others

Don't carry but know folks that do, legally and illegally. If the fuzz can't protect you you have the right to protect yourself.

Pete

Another reason why Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon illegally. Zimmerman knew law enforcement was on their way and would be there momentarily. He just couldn't keep his Dirty Harry wanna be urges under control so law enforcement could deal with the situation he created.

[icenine]

Actually as I said before....getting your head "slammed" into the concrete more than once or twice would be an automatic brain scan (CT) at any emergency room.

The question MSNBC says should be asked...when did Martin take the safety off of his weapon?