From OWS to O anything.

[BlueStreak]

I would say the shenanigans in Oakland over the weekend might warrant stronger action. I hate to admit it, but at first I was in agreement with the basic message. Then as I watched police take what I still think was excessive force (initially) my support for OWS grew. Even when they started fighting back.....eh, a little rough stuff don't bother me.

But, now I think they're tearing shit up just to be doing it. At least out in Oakland and a few other places. The ones we had here were extremely mild in comparison.

I think all of the stupidity arises from having no organization, no leaders or structure at all. I watched the two "activists" on Bill Moyers website. Ummmmmm, yeah....the whole "leaderless" concept is just anarchy and mayhem....won't get them anywhere. The unions are pulling out.......

It's time to tell them straight up to calm down, get serious, get better organized and work within the system as best you can.............or go to jail.

Sad, really.

Dave

[d-ray657]

We can't forget that Oakland is . . . well . . .Oakland. Have you ever observed the decorum on Sunday afternoons at the Forum. I would not take Oakland as representative of anyone else from this planet. (Disclaimer: This comes from a Chiefs fan.)

Regards,

D-Ray

[CarlV]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

We can't forget that Oakland is . . . well . . .Oakland.

Regards,

D-Ray

I grew up here and know Oakland very, very well from the 60's to present day. There is so much of the city you never hear about that just doesn't get any press although quite a bit does.


Carl

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by CarlV

I grew up here and know Oakland very, very well from the 60's to present day. There is so much of the city you never hear about that just doesn't get any press although quite a bit does.


Carl

I love the Oakland Hills area just South of Berkeley. The Warren freeway in springtime still ranks as one of my favorite drives. I'd drive from Mills College to Cal at least three times a week and always looked forward to that drive. The parking at Cal not so much. Despite the much talked about violence of Oakland, I never had any problems with anyone there. The last time I was there, I thought that the city did a great job of making downtown nicer again compared to when I lived there back in the early 1980s.

The 1960s? I always thought I was born a couple decades too late. East Bay in the 1960s must have been, shall I say, fun.

[CarlV]

Originally Posted by bhunter

I love the Oakland Hills area just South of Berkeley. The Warren freeway in springtime still ranks as one of my favorite drives. I'd drive from Mills College to Cal at least three times a week and always looked forward to that drive. The parking at Cal not so much. Despite the much talked about violence of Oakland, I never had any problems with anyone there. The last time I was there, I thought that the city did a great job of making downtown nicer again compared to when I lived there back in the early 1980s.

The 1960s? I always thought I was born a couple decades too late. East Bay in the 1960s must have been, shall I say, fun.

Much of East Oakland has been and still is sinking slowly and steadily, pretty much when the jobs manufacturing things went away. The rest has not been too bad and above the 580 quite nice and downtown really has been reinventing itself.
The Laurel District has been making quite a comeback recently.
Map link:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=ERi&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&q=oakland+laurel+district+map&gs_upl=1 04989l106128l0l106635l4l2l0l2l2l0l223l361l0.1.1l4l 0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1369&bih=659&u m=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x808f8647c99bc455:0xb09699ad7180af52, Laurel,+Oakland,+CA&gl=us&ei=03IoT7S3HbLWiALOj6StA Q&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CB 4Q8gEwAA


The summer of love was just that, well a couple cool years, and then the good left the druggies behind mostly moving up north. The Haight Ashbury at least a tourist trap now and not the drug and homeless haven it was 25 years ago.


Carl

[Charles]

Originally Posted by CarlV

Much of East Oakland has been and still is sinking slowly and steadily, pretty much when the jobs manufacturing things went away. The rest has not been too bad and above the 580 quite nice and downtown really has been reinventing itself.
The Laurel District has been making quite a comeback recently.
Map link:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=ERi&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&q=oakland+laurel+district+map&gs_upl=1 04989l106128l0l106635l4l2l0l2l2l0l223l361l0.1.1l4l 0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1369&bih=659&u m=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x808f8647c99bc455:0xb09699ad7180af52, Laurel,+Oakland,+CA&gl=us&ei=03IoT7S3HbLWiALOj6StA Q&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CB 4Q8gEwAA


The summer of love was just that, well a couple cool years, and then the good left the druggies behind mostly moving up north. The Haight Ashbury at least a tourist trap now and not the drug and homeless haven it was 25 years ago.


Carl

No offense Carl, but how old are you? Just curious if you lived in the heyday.

Myself, I'm 58.

Chas

[piece-itpete]

Were you trying to take over city hall TD?

And only Rob talked about use of force?

Pete

[CarlV]

I certainly wasn't an adult in the 60's. I am 58 too.


Carl

[Charles]

Originally Posted by CarlV

I certainly wasn't an adult in the 60's. I am 58 too.


Carl

I thought we was gonna kill everybody over 30.

Looked good on paper.

Meebee we ought to take to killin' everybody under 58!!!

Chas

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by Charles

I thought we was gonna kill everybody over 30.

Looked good on paper.

Meebee we ought to take to killin' everybody under 58!!!

Chas

Hey, wait a minute, I fall into that group. I suggest under 47. That would be that whole group that graduated HS in the vacuous eighties. The MBA brats from that period still drive me crazy.