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11-04-2016, 10:30 AM
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Jigsawed
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad
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The failure of blacks to turn out a la Obama election has created consternation.
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11-04-2016, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Dondilion
The failure of blacks to turn out a la Obama election has created consternation.
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I get it! It's all their fault. I should have known.
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11-04-2016, 10:49 AM
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Jigsawed
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Originally Posted by Boreas
I get it! It's all their fault.
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That is from you.
I am just reporting a fact.
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11-04-2016, 11:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dondilion
That is from you.
I am just reporting a fact.
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Although I agree, failure implies fault and that nit has been picked.
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11-04-2016, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by nailer
Although I agree, failure implies fault and that nit has been picked.
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The failure and fault is on Hillz, for not being a candidate who could garner their enthusiasm.
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11-04-2016, 11:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dondilion
That is from you.
I am just reporting a fact.
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It's an opinion, not a fact. You voice an opinion as to the cause, which is an opinion in and of itself and as yet undemonstrated, of an effect (voter consternation) which has many many effects.
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11-04-2016, 11:24 AM
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Jigsawed
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boreas
It's an opinion, not a fact.
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The essential point is that the President, HRC, the Democrats top dogs seem to believe that.
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11-04-2016, 11:28 AM
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The polls are very close. Hillary has a lead of a few points.
There are still a higher percentage of undecided and third party voters for this late in the game.
Since this is a change election and Hillary represents the status quo, I expect a majority of the undecideds to break for Trump. That will give Trump a slight boost.
History has shown us that third party candidates usually under perform their poll numbers. This is one thing I don't think will be different this time around. Johnson is polling at an average of about 4%. I expect his final vote will fall to about half that, or about 2%. I expect the majority of the other 2% to also break for Trump, after all the Libertarians are conservatives. Another slight boost for Trump.
Jill Stein is polling around 2%. I expect her final numbers will, like Johnsons, fall to about half, or 1%, with the majority of the remaining 1% breaking for Clinton. A very slight boost for Clinton.
So two slight boosts for Trump vs. one very slight boost for Trump makes this election too close to call IMO.
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11-04-2016, 12:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Joad
The polls are very close. Hillary has a lead of a few points.
There are still a higher percentage of undecided and third party voters for this late in the game.
Since this is a change election and Hillary represents the status quo, I expect a majority of the undecideds to break for Trump. That will give Trump a slight boost.
History has shown us that third party candidates usually under perform their poll numbers. This is one thing I don't think will be different this time around. Johnson is polling at an average of about 4%. I expect his final vote will fall to about half that, or about 2%. I expect the majority of the other 2% to also break for Trump, after all the Libertarians are conservatives. Another slight boost for Trump.
Jill Stein is polling around 2%. I expect her final numbers will, like Johnsons, fall to about half, or 1%, with the majority of the remaining 1% breaking for Clinton. A very slight boost for Clinton.
So two slight boosts for Trump vs. one very slight boost for Trump makes this election too close to call IMO.
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If your boy wins, say goodbye to the Social Security benefits you're always whining about.
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11-04-2016, 12:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Joad
The polls are very close. Hillary has a lead of a few points.
There are still a higher percentage of undecided and third party voters for this late in the game.
Since this is a change election and Hillary represents the status quo, I expect a majority of the undecideds to break for Trump. That will give Trump a slight boost.
History has shown us that third party candidates usually under perform their poll numbers. This is one thing I don't think will be different this time around. Johnson is polling at an average of about 4%. I expect his final vote will fall to about half that, or about 2%. I expect the majority of the other 2% to also break for Trump, after all the Libertarians are conservatives. Another slight boost for Trump.
Jill Stein is polling around 2%. I expect her final numbers will, like Johnsons, fall to about half, or 1%, with the majority of the remaining 1% breaking for Clinton. A very slight boost for Clinton.
So two slight boosts for Trump vs. one very slight boost for Trump makes this election too close to call IMO.
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I disagree with the comment in bold. People as described are probably well infromed and disgusted with the system and both parties. They simply may not show up at the polls which could be a scary prospect for the D-party.
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