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12-14-2010, 11:08 AM
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I'm friggin' lost here. You fellows seem to be speaking in tongues.
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Four Mil is the per capita savings for the top .1% arising from the tax cut.
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12-14-2010, 11:10 AM
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Four Mil is the per capita savings for the top .1% arising from the tax cut.
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That's a small price to pay for all the jobs they're going to create.
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12-14-2010, 11:21 AM
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That's a small price to pay for all the jobs they're going to create.
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sorry Pat, I did not realize what you did not follow
Don is way smart so he figured it right out and answered for me I see
thanks D!
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12-14-2010, 11:24 AM
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Excufe me, I freak jive
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12-27-2010, 06:11 PM
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Holy Shit, a liberal that can do math! Teach that shit to your brothers and sisters noon.
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12-27-2010, 06:12 PM
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Excufe me, I freak jive
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Dude, you know Ward was tearing that shit up every night. I can just picture June in a reverse cowgirl.
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12-27-2010, 07:14 PM
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A Quick Hit-and-run...
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Originally Posted by piece-itpete
That's less than $4 mil per of their own money.
Did the Dems House pass this?
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There is plenty good reason for a progressive (vs. flat) tax structure. The question is how progressive it should be. It is now at an historic low - at least for recent decades (not gonna do the research) at a time when the wealth disparity in the nation is at nearly an all time high and the budget has been strained (broken?) by unfunded wars, unfunded mandates, an anticipated shift in demographics that no one wanted to face, and reckless spending coupled with reckless tax cuts. Just 'cause it is "their own money" doesn't make it right in a society that relies on people making a forced contribution through taxation, hopefully somehow adjusted to consider their ability to pay.
There are many (or at least some) in that top 0.1% who have gone on record stating that the extension of the temporary tax cuts is misguided. Many of those do make tremendous philanthropic contributions.
I'm amazed at the way some who are driven by greed (camouflaged as ideology) have managed to convince wide swaths of the American people that any efforts to restore a reasonable tax structure and a reasonable social services network is somehow anti-middle class, anti-american, anti-capatilsm, anti-christian, anti-whatever hot button. Any attempts to even discuss this stuff is met with epithets like "Socialist!" "Class Warfare!" "Special Interests!!!!" when really the class war is over and we all lost, there is no socialism but for damn sure it's looking like fascism, and the only interests that are being served are those of the corporatists and powerful who just want more and more and more. At some point the pendulum is going to swing - hard - and it ain't gonna be pretty.
Yeah, the Dems passed it. Bunch of cowards. Wish I lived in Vermont. They've got the only Senator that makes any sense.
Hit and run... as soon as Audio Karma is back on line I won't allow myself to get worked up over this stuff anymore. 'Course the big Margarita I just finished didn't help matters.
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12-27-2010, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JonL
There is plenty good reason for a progressive (vs. flat) tax structure. The question is how progressive it should be. It is now at an historic low - at least for recent decades (not gonna do the research) at a time when the wealth disparity in the nation is at nearly an all time high and the budget has been strained (broken?) by unfunded wars, unfunded mandates, an anticipated shift in demographics that no one wanted to face, and reckless spending coupled with reckless tax cuts. Just 'cause it is "their own money" doesn't make it right in a society that relies on people making a forced contribution through taxation, hopefully somehow adjusted to consider their ability to pay.
There are many (or at least some) in that top 0.1% who have gone on record stating that the extension of the temporary tax cuts is misguided. Many of those do make tremendous philanthropic contributions.
I'm amazed at the way some who are driven by greed (camouflaged as ideology) have managed to convince wide swaths of the American people that any efforts to restore a reasonable tax structure and a reasonable social services network is somehow anti-middle class, anti-american, anti-capatilsm, anti-christian, anti-whatever hot button. Any attempts to even discuss this stuff is met with epithets like "Socialist!" "Class Warfare!" "Special Interests!!!!" when really the class war is over and we all lost, there is no socialism but for damn sure it's looking like fascism, and the only interests that are being served are those of the corporatists and powerful who just want more and more and more. At some point the pendulum is going to swing - hard - and it ain't gonna be pretty.
Yeah, the Dems passed it. Bunch of cowards. Wish I lived in Vermont. They've got the only Senator that makes any sense.
Hit and run... as soon as Audio Karma is back on line I won't allow myself to get worked up over this stuff anymore. 'Course the big Margarita I just finished didn't help matters.
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Yes those poor "persons" are just so picked on. Now the Supremes cut those persons loose to spend their millions to play kingmaker - as if they already didn't have enough people in congress doing their bidding.
Regards,
D-Ray
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12-27-2010, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JonL
There is plenty good reason for a progressive (vs. flat) tax structure. The question is how progressive it should be. It is now at an historic low - at least for recent decades (not gonna do the research) at a time when the wealth disparity in the nation is at nearly an all time high and the budget has been strained (broken?) by unfunded wars, unfunded mandates, an anticipated shift in demographics that no one wanted to face, and reckless spending coupled with reckless tax cuts. Just 'cause it is "their own money" doesn't make it right in a society that relies on people making a forced contribution through taxation, hopefully somehow adjusted to consider their ability to pay.
There are many (or at least some) in that top 0.1% who have gone on record stating that the extension of the temporary tax cuts is misguided. Many of those do make tremendous philanthropic contributions.
I'm amazed at the way some who are driven by greed (camouflaged as ideology) have managed to convince wide swaths of the American people that any efforts to restore a reasonable tax structure and a reasonable social services network is somehow anti-middle class, anti-american, anti-capatilsm, anti-christian, anti-whatever hot button. Any attempts to even discuss this stuff is met with epithets like "Socialist!" "Class Warfare!" "Special Interests!!!!" when really the class war is over and we all lost, there is no socialism but for damn sure it's looking like fascism, and the only interests that are being served are those of the corporatists and powerful who just want more and more and more. At some point the pendulum is going to swing - hard - and it ain't gonna be pretty.
Yeah, the Dems passed it. Bunch of cowards. Wish I lived in Vermont. They've got the only Senator that makes any sense.
Hit and run... as soon as Audio Karma is back on line I won't allow myself to get worked up over this stuff anymore. 'Course the big Margarita I just finished didn't help matters.
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So, I'm not the only one. Comforting. Time for another shot of Schnapps.
Dave
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12-28-2010, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Twodogs
Holy Shit, a liberal that can do math! Teach that shit to your brothers and sisters noon.
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yeah we are the educated liberal elite not the real american Joe the Plumber
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