Supremes vote for religious bigotry

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Sounds like you're excusing them to me.

They were a bunch of slave driving, Indian genociding motherfuckers is what they were.

They only reason they did so well wealth wise is because they stole all the land and natural resources from the Indians that had been good stewards of them for thousands of years and proceeded, with the help of black African slave labor, to exploit and decimate it within a handful of generations to their immense profit.

And I'm supposed to revere these Alpha Hotels as my "Founding Fathers"?

Fuck that shit.

+1, but need to add ...... did not want to pay taxes to the mother country.



Barney

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Oerets

+1, but need to add ...... did not want to pay taxes to the mother country.



Barney

Well the mother country sent soldiers over to protect them from the Indians so the tax was supposedly to pay for those soldiers. Unfortunately General Cornwallis was a bumbling incompetent and they tried to slip a little benefit for the East India Company into the tax.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Well the mother country sent soldiers over to protect them from the Indians so the tax was supposedly to pay for those soldiers. Unfortunately General Cornwallis was a bumbling incompetent and they tried to slip a little benefit for the East India Company into the tax.

Just being simplistic, know there is more involved. But from the get this country hated taxes.



Barney

[Pio1980]

According to a presentation on PBS, the slavery interests had almost literally beaten the abolitionists into irrelevance when Harriet Beecher Stowe published "Uncle Toms Cabin" and that brought a virtual hurricane of international attention and support back to reviving the movement against US moneyed support of what was referred as "the peculiar institution".

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[piece-itpete]

There are many things that we can be judged for in the future.

I do not excuse the founders for their own actions, but just the same they were the products of their time as surely as we are. It is extremely difficult to pull oneself out of one's shoes. We naturally believe we are correct (and better) - of course.

In the founders time it was believed that slavery was going to die out naturally, as indeed it was.

Pete

[icenine]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

There are many things that we can be judged for in the future.

I do not excuse the founders for their own actions, but just the same they were the products of their time as surely as we are. It is extremely difficult to pull oneself out of one's shoes. We naturally believe we are correct (and better) - of course.

In the founders time it was believed that slavery was going to die out naturally, as indeed it was.

Pete

Actually in the British Empire it died out through law (either 1808 or 1820 cannot remember) because they knew it was wrong and did something about it.

It died in America only through a horrific war in which 2/3s of a million people perished.

Now what part of natural is any of that?

[piece-itpete]

It's a bit more, um, more than that. Slavery was dying out in the Founders time. It was the cotton gin that brought it roaring back to life.

The Empire could pretend to be upstanding and moral because they weren't making the fortune from it they used to.

Pete

[icenine]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

It's a bit more, um, more than that. Slavery was dying out in the Founders time. It was the cotton gin that brought it roaring back to life.

The Empire could pretend to be upstanding and moral because they weren't making the fortune from it they used to.

Pete

It was not dying out at all
bunch of white guys wanted to own other people

do you really think a machine was going to change their minds?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

It's a bit more, um, more than that. Slavery was dying out in the Founders time. It was the cotton gin that brought it roaring back to life.

The Empire could pretend to be upstanding and moral because they weren't making the fortune from it they used to.

Pete

Slavery was about more than just cotton. Sugar cane and indigo were both big crops harvested by slave labor. As for Britain, their mills did indeed make boatloads of money from cotton (as did those in the northern US, BTW).

[piece-itpete]

Profits from the slave trade fueled the industrial revolution, heck the entire English Empire.

Pete