Foreign Relations - the Chicago Way

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

Truth hurts, doesn't it? Even Senate Dems are complaining about how the Iran deal is proceeding, how it spells trouble in the Middle East. The Saudi's, who have been interested in nukes for a while, are reportedly ramping up talks with Pakistan for nuclear technology. And if you think the Turks are going to sit by and watch their neighbors nuke up, you're in for a surprise.

As far as the "47 traitors", get over it. You lost the argument about whether there was a violation of the Logan Act. Continuing to call them "traitors" is akin to the old saw about "repeating a lie often enough..." Besides, a who buncha Dems showed up to hear Bibi speak. Are they traitors too?

So, you cut out everything in my reply having to do with Israel because you don't have a response. And you don't have a response because your whole premise is absurd on its face.

Then you spun out fantasies about a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. Apparently, you're doubling down on your assertion that Obama is desirous of the Iranians acquiring nukes but you still can't back it up.

The betting is over. Show your cards.

And I never mentioned the Logan Act, violations of which don't constitute treason. Neither did I mention the Netanyahu speech. The 47 traitors actions go far beyond merely engaging in diplomacy. They deliberately attempted to sabotage the P5+1 negotiations and preemptively any other international negotiations the Obama Administration might choose to engage in.

[Ike Bana]

Hey thanks whell.

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It's blogs, whell. By their own admission there is absolutely no editoral review of articles by the management of examiner.com. "They're blogs. They don't get edited. We don't give any direction to people on what to write in their blogs. And that's standard operating procedure." - Jim Pementel, Executive Director of Examiner.com.

PS - So who released this intel. The Pentagon? The Obama administration? The Pentagon as ordered by their Commander in Chief?

PSS - WTF does somebody from Detroit know about the "Chicago Way" other than what he's heard from lifelong Chicagoans like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity?

[BlueStreak]

Excellent post, Ike.

I love it when people post their biased opinions backed up with biased links that cite other biased links as "proof" of legitimacy.

A rightwing hack posts a Newsmax article that cites "truth" they dug up at the Heritage Foundation and ALEC websites..............LOL!

Then there are the social media memes. "I saw it on FaceBook, it HAS to be true."

Dave

[Dondilion]

Wow! Wow! Israel has nukes!

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Wow! Wow! Israel has nukes!

I've heard rumors that the Russians have them too! HOLY SHIT! Better duck and cover, 'cuz Ivans coming to get us!!!!

Dave

[Dondilion]

Mordechai Vanunu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu

[Boreas]

At the time the report was declassified, we knew that Netanyahu was coming and we also knew (because we told Bibi to keep his trap shut) that they had breached the security of the P5+1 Talks so the timing is by no means coincidental, IMO.

So, actually, there's something pretty significant about this but it's all symbolism. What the US is telling Israel is that our support for them has limits. By declassifying a 30 year old report on the Israeli nuclear weapons program, the US didn't tell the world anything that we didn't already know but the US certainly did tell the Israelis that our patience has limits.

John

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

So, you cut out everything in my reply having to do with Israel because you don't have a response. And you don't have a response because your whole premise is absurd on its face.

No response is required to your standard anti-Israel blather because the blather is "absurd on its face."

Originally Posted by Boreas

Then you spun out fantasies about a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. Apparently, you're doubling down on your assertion that Obama is desirous of the Iranians acquiring nukes but you still can't back it up.

The betting is over. Show your cards.

What do you want me to "back up"? Do you deny that the Saudis have been wanting to get into the nuke game? Do you deny that the Sunn- Saudi regime would be concerned about an imbalance of power in their own backyard if Shiite Iran got the bomb?

Originally Posted by Boreas

And I never mentioned the Logan Act.

The hell you didn't.

Originally Posted by Boreas

Bibi and Dermer's next move.

As far as I'm concerned, the entire Republican caucus of both houses should be impeached for treason and for violating the Logan Act. (I know, "dream on".)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6830308.html

John

Dude, you're becoming unhinged if you can't remember what you said from one day to the next.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Hey thanks whell.

In other related stories from the examiner.com:
-Social media questions why Michelle Obama has gone bald
-Two teenage girls join ISIS, become pregnant, and are now begging to come home
-Jessica Biel hits beach: Actress doesn't wear bikini during beach stroll (Holy shit! how did I miss this???)
-Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty uses graphic speech to emphasize good and evil

It's blogs, whell. By their own admission there is absolutely no editoral review of articles by the management of examiner.com. "They're blogs. They don't get edited. We don't give any direction to people on what to write in their blogs. And that's standard operating procedure." - Jim Pementel, Executive Director of Examiner.com.

PS - So who released this intel. The Pentagon? The Obama administration? The Pentagon as ordered by their Commander in Chief?

PSS - WTF does somebody from Detroit know about the "Chicago Way" other than what he's heard from lifelong Chicagoans like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity?

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Excellent post, Ike.

I love it when people post their biased opinions backed up with biased links that cite other biased links as "proof" of legitimacy.

A rightwing hack posts a Newsmax article that cites "truth" they dug up at the Heritage Foundation and ALEC websites..............LOL!

Then there are the social media memes. "I saw it on FaceBook, it HAS to be true."

Dave

Apparently you both missed post 5.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

At the time the report was declassified, we knew that Netanyahu was coming and we also knew (because we told Bibi to keep his trap shut) that they had breached the security of the P5+1 Talks so the timing is by no means coincidental, IMO.

So, actually, there's something pretty significant about this but it's all symbolism. What the US is telling Israel is that our support for them has limits. By declassifying a 30 year old report on the Israeli nuclear weapons program, the US didn't tell the world anything that we didn't already know but the US certainly did tell the Israelis that our patience has limits.

John

Here's what's significant. If Kerry and Obama get their way, it appears that Iran will have the free reign to pursue a bomb after 10 years in exchange for lifting sanctions. If the Iran behaves like Iran usually does, they'll sign the agreement, have the sanctions lifted, play games with the nuke inspectors, and then somewhere inside the ten year period tell "the great Satan" and the rest of the West or go screw themselves. They'll then take a page out of North Koreas playbook and start playing nuclear blackmail.

Someone still needs to tell me why this is a good thing.

Frankly, if I were Israel, I'd be trying to breach the security of the P5+1 Talks because those talks appear to be all about making my country and my neighborhood really, really insecure.