1st Amendment Violation?

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

My property tax for both vehicles last year came to almost $1,200.

Dave

They're actually taxing the vehicle as property by a percentage? That would be a damn good reason to have and use the least valuable car you can find. I thought you were referencing real estate in your original tax. Please don't tell this tax scheme to the California Assembly. BTW, what's your sales tax rate?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Charles

Mixing politics and religion ....

Something started (at least in contemporary politics) by Ronnie the Magnificent.

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The First Amendment says otherwise, methinks.

You think incorrectly. The first amendment says nothing about religion's role in the roots of this country, and it shouldn't, given that the subject is religious freedom. Doesn't change the fact that our laws were based on Christian principles, written up by Christian patriots. Anyone who's read any American history knows this is true.
The founders made it clear that the country will have no "national religion", but they also made it very clear that they felt the Bible's 10 commandments made a pretty solid foundation for our rules of law.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

...but they also made it very clear that they felt the Bible's 10 commandments made a pretty solid foundation for our rules of law.

Gotta call BS on this one. Only 3 of the Ten Commandments have found their way into our laws (thou shall not kill, steal, or bear false witness). I know of no laws addressing the issues addressed in Commandments 1-5, 7, and 10.

As for your Christian patriot myth, ponder these quotes a bit:
http://hwarmstrong.com/christian-founding-fathers-2.htm

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Something started (at least in contemporary politics) by Ronnie the Magnificent.

You're either conveniently forgetful or purposefully forgetful. Lest we not forget Jimmy "I have comitted adultery in my heart many times" Carter.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

You're either conveniently forgetful or purposefully forgetful. Lest we not forget Jimmy "I have comitted adultery in my heart many times" Carter.

Nope. Carter himself was a Baptist, but he didn't actively seek the support of Robertson, Falwell, et al.

Leaders of the New Christian Right coalesced around the candidacy of Ronald Reagan. Reagan alone embraced the political efforts of the NCR and pledged to work for enactment of its agenda (see chaps. 5-7 in T. Baker, Steed, and Moreland 1983). He won by impressive margins and Republicans, with a clearly conservation platform, took control of the Senate for the first time in over twenty years. Although some scholars (Zwier 1982) cautioned against drawing such conclusions, the New Christian Right was credited with securing those victories as well as with successfully influencing the nation's political agenda (Moen 1994, 164).

http://are.as.wvu.edu/lebeau1.htm

Jerry Falwell : "The Moral Majority backs the presidential candidacy of
Ronald Reagan and helps sweep him into office in dramatic
fashion."

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Gotta call BS on this one. Only 3 of the Ten Commandments have found their way into our laws (thou shall not kill, steal, or bear false witness). I know of no laws addressing the issues addressed in Commandments 1-5, 7, and 10.

As for your Christian patriot myth, ponder these quotes a bit:
http://hwarmstrong.com/christian-founding-fathers-2.htm

How 'bout these quotes:

From James Madison:
The belief in a God All Powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man, that arguments which enforce it cannot be drawn from too many sources nor adapted with too much solicitude to the different characters and capacities to be impressed with it.
Letter to Rev. Frederick Beasley (1825-11-20)

Samuel Adams:
As neither reason requires nor religion permits the contrary, every man living in or out of a state of civil society has a right peaceably and quietly to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.
‘Just and true liberty, equal and impartial liberty,’ in matters spiritual and temporal, is a thing that all men are clearly entitled to by the eternal and immutable laws of God and nature, as well as by the law of nations and all well-grounded municipal laws, which must have their foundation in the former.

Two by John Adams:

On June 21, 1776, John Adams wrote:
“Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure, than they have it now, they may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty.”

On August 28, 1811, in a letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush, John Adams wrote:
“Religion and virtue are the only foundations, not only of republicanism and of all free government, but of social felicity under all governments and in all the combinations of human society.”

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Nope. Carter himself was a Baptist, but he didn't actively seek the support of Robertson, Falwell, et al.

Leaders of the New Christian Right coalesced around the candidacy of Ronald Reagan. Reagan alone embraced the political efforts of the NCR and pledged to work for enactment of its agenda (see chaps. 5-7 in T. Baker, Steed, and Moreland 1983). He won by impressive margins and Republicans, with a clearly conservation platform, took control of the Senate for the first time in over twenty years. Although some scholars (Zwier 1982) cautioned against drawing such conclusions, the New Christian Right was credited with securing those victories as well as with successfully influencing the nation's political agenda (Moen 1994, 164).

http://are.as.wvu.edu/lebeau1.htm

Jerry Falwell : "The Moral Majority backs the presidential candidacy of
Ronald Reagan and helps sweep him into office in dramatic
fashion."

What? You think the Christian right wasn't tired of stag-flation and sky-rocketing misery indexes too?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

What? You think the Christian right wasn't tired of stag-flation and sky-rocketing misery indexes too?

Probably so, but more interested in having a willing accomplice in the White House who would facilitate the Rapture.

[finnbow]

BTW, here are some of these wonderful Christian values of which I speak:

http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/29/1...rch-votes.html