A warning

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Yggdrasill

Now, Insane, please show me substantive and quantitative evidence of significant voter fraud in the 2020 election. As a corollary, explain to me why this evidence - if you can martial it - was ignored by REPUBLICAN election officials in state after state.

And when he does have him forward it to Rootin-tootin Rudy.

[Yggdrasill]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

The evidence is there regarding voter fraud and a stolen election. The army confiscated the CIA servers in Germany.

Based on what evidence?
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9754011363

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN27W1UW

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...lection-fraud/

And the non-seized, not-in-Germany election servers did not belong to the CIA but to Scytl, a Spanish company, who has no offices in Germany. Geez, do you fact check anything you read?

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Once the SCOTUS washed their hands of the whole thing and states ran with the fraudulent results, it is quite literally within the duties and authority of the president to stop an attempted coup through voter fraud, via the military.

Is it though? Where exactly and how? Can you show me something in the Constitution to this effect? The military obeys only legal orders and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs has already said that there is no role for the US military in determining the outcome of an election.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/ask-us-elect...wers-1.5793057

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Of course, I could be completely wrong. But I will say this: I think the chances are better than 50/50. Trump is not a career politician and is not the least bit concerned with political fallout against the republicans. I don't think he likes them any more than the democrats. He's going to do what he honestly thinks is the best thing for our country, and if he sincerely believes that this election was stolen via massive fraud, he will consider it his duty to stop it, even if it costs bloodshed. To make an omelet you have to break some eggs. And not to mix metaphors, but better to endure a short period of pain to protect our nation and constitution than go the way of Russia in the early 20th century.

I will not go down the rabbit hole of whether Trump acts in the country's interest or in his own. If you really believe the former at this point there's nothing I can say to change your mind. However, I will ask you this: Trump has been publicly predicting and "agonizing" over voter fraud for the last 4 years. What has he done about it? Can you name a single policy, initiative, or bill that the administration has put forth to combat voter fraud? If you can't - and you can't because he hasn't - as yourself how that complete lack of action accords with how you portray him in your paragraph above. If election fraud was such a dire threat to our democracy, and Trump knew about it - WHY HASN'T HE DONE ANYTHING TO PREVENT IT?

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Yggdrasill

Based on what evidence?
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9754011363

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN27W1UW

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...lection-fraud/

And the non-seized, not-in-Germany election servers did not belong to the CIA but to Scytl, a Spanish company, who has no offices in Germany. Geez, do you fact check anything you read?



Is it though? Where exactly and how? Can you show me something in the Constitution to this effect? The military obeys only legal orders and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs has already said that there is no role for the US military in determining the outcome of an election.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/ask-us-elect...wers-1.5793057


I will not go down the rabbit hole of whether Trump acts in the country's interest or in his own. If you really believe the former at this point there's nothing I can say to change your mind. However, I will ask you this: Trump has been publicly predicting and "agonizing" over voter fraud for the last 4 years. What has he done about it? Can you name a single policy, initiative, or bill that the administration has put forth to combat voter fraud? If you can't - and you can't because he hasn't - as yourself how that complete lack of action accords with how you portray him in your paragraph above. If election fraud was such a dire threat to our democracy, and Trump knew about it - WHY HASN'T HE DONE ANYTHING TO PREVENT IT?

Yes. Of everything I've used to support my arguments, this particular case was by far the weakest of all. Yes, you nailed me on it. I actually regretted posting it almost immediately. I almost brought it up on a "real" political site I used but DID fact check it first and after seeing the consensus from all sides, I chose not to post.

However, this article below may best describe what is going on with this story. It's not the latest, but what I think may be the best analysis of the whole thing. It appears there may be some real news and some added nonsense - like virtually all news stories - but some sources ran with all of it, putting a lot of egg on a lot of people's faces, including mine.

Why there likely was a server seized. Why there was probably no firefight. How that server is now being used as a high level bargaining chip, and why it will probably never be made public.

And, of course, you can google the whole "Scytle/Germany" thing at any time. However, be warned, Google is just going to throw up the "it never happened stories" right up front. To get to articles like the one I posted you need to try Dogpile, Duckduckgo or Bing.

Google is becoming much like Wikipedia - very useful for non-controversial stuff, but pretty useless otherwise.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Not Insane;396229[URL="http://theculturechronicles.com/index.php/2020/11/30/why-there-likely-was-a-server-seized-why-there-was-probably-no-firefight-how-that-server-is-now-being-used-as-a-high-level-bargaining-chip-and-why-it-will-probably-never-be-made-public/"

Why there likely was a server seized. Why there was probably no firefight. How that server is now being used as a high level bargaining chip, and why it will probably never be made public.[/URL]

The 'probablies' and 'likely' are significant qualifications and the close is a contradiction in that it has been made public by the article.

[RickeyM]

RE: My crying-laughing gif.

Residing in an alternate reality NI has found the portal that enables him to post nonsense in this one.

[donquixote99]

Very rational posts challenging NI by Ygg. But if NI cared about rational argument he would not be NI in the first place. All his posts drip with motivated reasoning, and the only question is whether the motivation is $ or not. I'm pretty sure it is.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Very rational posts challenging NI by Ygg. But if NI cared about rational argument he would not be NI in the first place. All his posts drip with motivated reasoning, and the only question is whether the motivation is $ or not. I'm pretty sure it is.

I wonder who signs the checks? #followthemoney

[Yggdrasill]

I think he is a coward, because he has never responded to a single one of my posts on any thread.

[nailer]

I don't think NI is paid or a coward.

[Waggs098]

Originally Posted by nailer

I don't think NI is paid or a coward.

I would say NI is paid just as much as Chicks.