Lessons for Now From History

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

An aside, bakers and florists claiming a religious exemption to the requirement for equal accommodation of goods and services.
By law, the requirement exists, but its also possible that demands could be made for goods and services strictly as harassment and intimidation. For instance, custom pastries and floral arrangements for people and groups hostile to the people providing the service, which goes way beyond simply extending the reciprocal courtesy of not requesting something from someone who in good concience feels they cannot provide the service.
How should this be adjudicated?

Harassment like you describe certainly wrong, if and when it happens. But at least the harassed providers would get paid. If the whole thing stops being an issue, the motivation for any such harassment goes away, I think. Don't think we need to complicate the law here.

[donquixote99]

Well, second-amendment people regard self-defense as a natural right, and many would put hunting in that category as well. One thus has a right to the necessary means. In the case of self-defense, it is typically pointed out that a defender should not have to face a better-armed criminal.

[Pio1980]

I don't know that hunting game is a "natural" right any more than impregnating any female slower than a given males' ability to catch them is a natural right. Otherwise, Wildlife husbandry is an important aspect to any permitted responsible hunting program and I have no objections whatsover to fostering responsible mentoring of such.

There is something fundamentally wrong with having to defend oneself mainly against fellow citizens because the culture and laws give them unlimited access to offensive arms. Unfortunately, that is my reason for keeping them here. Someone will always be better armed, but just a Mossberg and buckshot is formidable home defense against most in the event of a hostile confrontation. Scalia saw the right to own and use a handgun for household defense under the 2nd, nothing further.