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Old 07-01-2014, 04:15 PM
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Whats the deal with that?

I haven't looked into it, just heard about it.

How do you get killed by a bad ignition switch?
It's just a matter of time until every GM on the road has been recalled. They've recalled the Buick, I suspect the Tahoe is next.

I've already sworn off GM though.

I realized when I bought the Mustang I'd been a fool for buying GM products.

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Old 07-01-2014, 04:50 PM
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The weight of the key chain overrode a defective detente spring in the switch and turned the car off at highway speed, thereby losing power-steering and brakes, not to mention the airbag after the accident occurred.
Are you shitin me?

WTF is a detente spring?

This would never happen in one of those old school cars.

I wish the hell they would go back to the plain old keys without all this electronic crap.

Shit, I got stranded once because a screw came loose and the fucking chip fell out of my whatever they call it now. A fob or some such shit as that?

Too Goddamned many bells ad whistles on cars these days. It's just more shit that can break down on you is all it is.
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:17 PM
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Are you shitin me?

WTF is a detente spring?
The detente spring is the spring that holds the key's position in the desired place. GM (actually AC Delco) put too short a spring in the ignition switch and it thereby put too little force behind the plunger that goes into the little divots that keep the key in its chosen position.

These aren't newfangled ignition switches. They are the same basic design as has been used for a half a century.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...35171004763740
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:59 PM
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These aren't newfangled ignition switches. They are the same basic design as has been used for a half a century.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...35171004763740
Yeah, but back in those days we didn't even have seat belts let alone air bags.
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:14 PM
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Yeah, but back in those days we didn't even have seat belts let alone air bags.
In the case of the GM ignition switch, airbag deployment is being used as an indicator as to whether or not a faulty ignition switch was responsible for the crash. If the car turned off before colliding, the airbag would not deploy. Conversely, if the air bag deployed, something else caused the accident.
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:15 PM
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Yeah, but back in those days we didn't even have seat belts let alone air bags.
And people were killed all the time in accidents. I agree all these computers on wheels really suck but you are so much safer today.
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Maybe they could add an ejection seat to save the poor SOB's life during a car bombing.
As a guy who once rebuilt Martin Baker ejection seats for a living....

This is actually pretty funny.

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Old 07-01-2014, 09:26 PM
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And people were killed all the time in accidents. I agree all these computers on wheels really suck but you are so much safer today.
True that.

Actually,

I recently rode in a really nice '69 Camaro. Compared to todays vehicles it was noisy (full of various rattles/wind noise), uncomfortable and floats like a balloon at the higher speeds. Fast, strong acceleration, but watch those curves............

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AFAIK, it is standard practice to recommend a separate key always be used to avoid eventual problems.

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Wholy crap Tom we're close on something There is something raw about non 'puter cars that I really like, and I still haven't driven anything with the straight line ride of old body on frame RWD American cars.

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