|
|
We appreciate your help
in keeping this site going.
|
|
10-26-2012, 12:37 PM
|
|
Loyal Opposition
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Johnson County, Kansas
Posts: 14,401
|
|
If I had the money for a sports car, I would buy a Volt. Perhaps is should have been marketed more as a vehicle for elites. Then we would have had all sorts of covetousness going on.
Regards,
D-Ray
__________________
Then I'll get on my knees and pray,
We won't get fooled again; Don't get fooled again
|
10-26-2012, 12:41 PM
|
|
Admin
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Behind the Orange Curtain in California
Posts: 37,171
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by piece-itpete
Oh yeah leftie, pretend you didn't mean it
Pete
|
"There's always a kernel of truth in every good joke!" Bill Mahr
__________________
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
- Mr. Underhill
|
10-26-2012, 12:50 PM
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Upper Canuckistan
Posts: 2,180
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by whell
It is a great car. It's a great piece of engineering. It has been in development for years before Obama took office. It is surrounded by a great product development and support team.
...and yet the market economics for the vehicle are all wrong.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...88904J20120910
|
Cept that article is dead wrong. That is not how you cost out something like a new automotive technology. It was just recently written that using the same approach, the first new Ford Fusion sold lost Ford $2 billion. Thankfully, once they sold the second one, the loss dropped to only $1 billion per vehicle.
Lets keep in mind that when the Prius was launched gas was under $1 a gallon. They have now sold more than 2 million of them, even though they lost a ton of money on each one when it entered production. Same deal for the Honda Insight.
__________________
There never Was a Good War or a Bad Peace. - Benjamin Franklin.
|
10-26-2012, 12:53 PM
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Upper Canuckistan
Posts: 2,180
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by d-ray657
If I had the money for a sports car, I would buy a Volt. Perhaps is should have been marketed more as a vehicle for elites. Then we would have had all sorts of covetousness going on.
Regards,
D-Ray
|
It's not doing too badly, actually. They have sold about 30,000 of them, putting them well ahead of the Prius at this point in its sales history, and twice as many Insights as Honda managed to sell in 7 years.
__________________
There never Was a Good War or a Bad Peace. - Benjamin Franklin.
|
10-26-2012, 01:05 PM
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,252
|
|
I drove a Volt last week. It was a 2013 model. Full price was $39,150, they pay the sales tax. Max out the options you are looking at $44,500 We drove a few Toyota Avalons the week before 2012 models one option down from the deluxe model. $46,500 I pay the sales tax. Both cars were very nice.
For practical purposes the Volt is an ideal car for Janet. She drives a few miles to and from her office, likes to shop at the stores with overstock items from other stores like TJ Maxx that are all very close to our house. The fancy stores, she likes to shop at, are in the Promenade Mall in Rogers, AR about a 20 mile round trip.
We have driven Mercedes, Lexus, Porsches, Chevy and Toyota trucks since 1978. I am not going to say the Volt was like driving a 126 body 560SEL Mercedes, but it is a very well engineered car and is a joy to drive. Janet drives about 3000 miles a year. The Volt would be perfect for her.
We drove the new Chevy Malibu and were underwhelmed. It is reviewed as a very solid handling car. I did not get that impression. I felt like the rear end was trying to break loose and the suspension was clunky. The LTZ package is maddening. Starting off with only two cylinders firing and then the full eight kick in it felt like driving an old turbodiesel Mercedes. The bumper to bumper lifetime warranty was enticing. Fully optioned they sell for about $34,000.
I don't see what all the fuss about the price of the Volt is. $40,000 won't buy a fully optioned, 4x4, extended cab, Chevy half ton truck nowadays, and there are a whole bunch of them on the road here.
|
10-26-2012, 01:11 PM
|
|
Possibly admin. Maybe ;)
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Land of the burning river
Posts: 21,098
|
|
Still $40k is not exactly a budget car. In fairness to the PU owners they often (but not always! ) have work reasons.
I was thinking about hybrids and their perceived complexity the other day. It occured to me that internal combustion engines, particularly modern ones, are incredibly complex. The sales folks for hybrids should be pointing that out.
Pete
__________________
“How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.”
|
10-26-2012, 01:32 PM
|
|
Reformed Know-Nothing
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: MoCo, MD
Posts: 25,830
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by wgrr
I don't see what all the fuss about the price of the Volt is. $40,000 won't buy a fully optioned, 4x4, extended cab, Chevy half ton truck nowadays, and there are a whole bunch of them on the road here.
|
OTOH, you can buy a new Mazda3 for ~$18K and get an honest 40 mpg in a fun-driving package.
__________________
As long as the roots are not severed, all will be well in the garden.
|
10-26-2012, 01:44 PM
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,252
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by d-ray657
If I had the money for a sports car, I would buy a Volt. Perhaps is should have been marketed more as a vehicle for elites. Then we would have had all sorts of covetousness going on.
Regards,
D-Ray
|
Raise the price to $80,000 and sell the design to Daimler Benz and slap a star on it it just might sell to people with more money than brains. The interior would need a lot of wood trim and at least an E class interior.
Me, I am gunning for a used Mercedes 560 SEC AMG hammer. Surprisingly I can buy one at auction, in pristine condition, below 100,000 on the odo, for less than $10,000 So what if it only gets 10 mpg highway 8 mpg city. It's just money and you might as well have fun.
|
10-26-2012, 02:27 PM
|
|
Admin
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Behind the Orange Curtain in California
Posts: 37,171
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by wgrr
Raise the price to $80,000 and sell the design to Daimler Benz and slap a star on it it just might sell to people with more money than brains. The interior would need a lot of wood trim and at least an E class interior.
Me, I am gunning for a used Mercedes 560 SEC AMG hammer. Surprisingly I can buy one at auction, in pristine condition, below 100,000 on the odo, for less than $10,000 So what if it only gets 10 mpg highway 8 mpg city. It's just money and you might as well have fun.
|
Ralph Nader's gonna git you!
__________________
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
- Mr. Underhill
|
10-26-2012, 02:48 PM
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Upper Canuckistan
Posts: 2,180
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by finnbow
OTOH, you can buy a new Mazda3 for ~$18K and get an honest 40 mpg in a fun-driving package.
|
You could make that case for pretty well every car that costs more than a Mazda 3. The one thing you don't get with the Mazda is the opportunity to buy American.
__________________
There never Was a Good War or a Bad Peace. - Benjamin Franklin.
|
Thread Tools |
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:19 AM.
|