From OWS to O anything.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by electronjohn

First...my bona fides: I'm so liberal I make Barry Obama look like Barry Goldwater. There.

Regarding communism: Other than North Korea, and to a somewhat lesser extent, Cuba...communism is dead. Buried. A footnote to history. Typical rightwing tactic to immediately brand anyone they disagree with as a "communist" or "socialist" or "Marxist". The majority of people flinging these pejoratives around wouldn't know a Marxist, socialist or communist if one rose up and bit them in the ass. But, it's convenient "code" to marginalize the opposition and play directly to the unfounded fears of the less-knowledgeable. Karl Rove LOVES that kind of thing. Same for Newt. And, Mitt isn't far behind. "Organizing" has nearly become some sort of obscenity...never mind that organizing is exactly what the teabaggers did.

OWS is/was a direct expression of the frustration that average Americans feel when confronted by the corporatcy/oligarchy that has insinuated its tentacles throughout our nation. No one wanted a handout...just a fair shake. College grads find that, after graduation, what they worked hard for four or more years to obtain is now essentially worthless. But...they are still saddled with onerous debt incurred to gain their now-worthless degree. They don't want their loans wiped out...just a more equitable repayment arrangement. Most participants in OWS and similar protests are plain sick & tired of corporations like Big Oil, Big Banking, Big Pharma and all the rest essentially calling the shots for our government and would like them to just butt out. It's too bad OWS isn't better organized...the population would take them more seriously and maybe, maybe start to examine where they themselves fit in to the greater scheme of things.

Hopefully, OWS will find a new dedication and a sense of organization...because their alternative viewpoint is something desperately needed these days.

Another one who agrees, nice post!




Barney

[Big_Bill]

Originally Posted by electronjohn

First...my bona fides: I'm so liberal I make Barry Obama look like Barry Goldwater. There.

Regarding communism: Other than North Korea, and to a somewhat lesser extent, Cuba...communism is dead. Buried. A footnote to history.

Have we forgotten CHINA ?

Typical rightwing tactic to immediately brand anyone they disagree with as a "communist" or "socialist" or "Marxist". The majority of people flinging these pejoratives around wouldn't know a Marxist, socialist or communist if one rose up and bit them in the ass. But, it's convenient "code" to marginalize the opposition and play directly to the unfounded fears of the less-knowledgeable. Karl Rove LOVES that kind of thing. Same for Newt. And, Mitt isn't far behind.

Just as branding someone a Racist, Elitist, Tea bagger, etc. is a Leftwing tactic to discredit and dehumanize their opposition. Two different politicians carrying the same luggage.

"Organizing" has nearly become some sort of obscenity...never mind that organizing is exactly what the tea baggers did.

Organizing is honorable profession, when done legally, when you pay someone something to get them to register to voter, that is illegal. When you falsify forms and registrations, that is illegal.

OWS is/was a direct expression of the frustration that average Americans feel when confronted by the corporatcy/oligarchy that has insinuated its tentacles throughout our nation. No one wanted a handout...just a fair shake. College grads find that, after graduation, what they worked hard for four or more years to obtain is now essentially worthless. But...they are still saddled with onerous debt incurred to gain their now-worthless degree. They don't want their loans wiped out...just a more equitable repayment arrangement. Most participants in OWS and similar protests are plain sick & tired of corporations like Big Oil, Big Banking, Big Pharma and all the rest essentially calling the shots for our government and would like them to just butt out. It's too bad OWS isn't better organized...the population would take them more seriously and maybe, maybe start to examine where they themselves fit in to the greater scheme of things.

Nice word. But everyone took the student loans money, knowing they would need to repay them. They could have got a job, but they went to school, to better their chances out in the real world. Well right now with the economy in the hole, they ended up with four great fun years, that they didn't have to work for. Now it is time to pay up.

Hopefully, OWS will find a new dedication and a sense of organization...because their alternative viewpoint is something desperately needed these days.

If your talking about that dirty, smelly, inconsistent, disorderly, unruly group of people that have gathered around the country, Organized, that a laugh. When you asked them why they were there, most of them didn't know, dude, and the rest wanted freebies or help paying off of the student loans that they applied for and spent. Does anyone think that if they made it big, as they hoped, would be helping anyone else NOW? Of course not, their liberals. Liberals are cheapest of all charitable contributers.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Big_Bill

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Organizing is honorable profession, when done legally, when you pay someone something to get them to register to voter, that is illegal. When you falsify forms and registrations, that is illegal.



Nice word. But everyone took the student loans money, knowing they would need to repay them. They could have got a job, but they went to school, to better their chances out in the real world. Well right now with the economy in the hole, they ended up with four great fun years, that they didn't have to work for. Now it is time to pay up.



If your talking about that dirty, smelly, inconsistent, disorderly, unruly group of people that have gathered around the country, Organized, that a laugh. When you asked them why they were there, most of them didn't know, dude, and the rest wanted freebies or help paying off of the student loans that they applied for and spent. Does anyone think that if they made it big, as they hoped, would be helping anyone else NOW? Of course not, their liberals. Liberals are cheapest of all charitable contributers.

Shut off the radio.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

This Ayers?



"I've thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, it's impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don't think so. I think what we did was to respond to a situation that was unconscionable."

I wouldn't let this guy within 20 feet of my kids.

Pete

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

This Ayers?

"I've thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, it's impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don't think so. I think what we did was to respond to a situation that was unconscionable."

I wouldn't let this guy within 20 feet of my kids.

Pete

So that photo strikes a chord of strong opposition. Hence the motivation to attempt to align someone who is a hot button for conservatives with a movement he has nothing to do with is to throw a big fat stinking red herring in the middle of the room.

Bill Ayers = bad.

Bill Ayers + OWS = bad.

But OWS - Bill Ayers = irrelevant comparison = red herring.

Regards,

D-Ray

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

for conservatives

Regards,

D-Ray

Now I understand. All Leftys agree with stomping on the flag, but Rightys dont.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

Now I understand. All Leftys agree with stomping on the flag, but Rightys dont.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Dayum DJ, are you sure you aren't a career politician? You sure know how to take a person's words out of context to fit your political agenda.

Regards,

D-Ray

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Dayum DJ, are you sure you aren't a career politician? You sure know how to take a person's words out of context to fit your political agenda.

Regards,

D-Ray

You played the Conservative VS Liberal card.

Don't back-peddle or blame me.

[Big_Bill]

I have found one exceedingly fatal flay in liberals,

They can only see, what they want to see.

And an evil person, is only an evil person if he is a conservative or a republican.

Now I never said that Bill Ayers was involved in the OWS !

But if you look back into the 60's, you will see this same behavior occurring as the peaceful anti-draft/ anti-Vietnam protests were loosing steam. Then Bill Ayers, leader of the Weatherman Underground moved in creating kayos and destruction, even murder.

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But he is undoubtedly a bad person, and would have been charged with Terrorism, Treason, attempted murder and an accomplice to the murder of his three accomplishes, Theodore Gold, Terry Robbins, and Ayers’ girlfriend Diana Oughton.

Weatherman, known colloquially as the Weathermen and later the Weather Underground Organization (abbreviated WUO), was an American radical left organization. It originated in 1969 as a faction of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS)[2] composed for the most part of the national office leadership of SDS and their supporters. Their goal was to create a clandestine revolutionary party for the violent overthrow of the US government.

With revolutionary positions characterized by Black separatist rhetoric,[2] the group conducted a campaign of bombings through the mid-1970s, including aiding the jailbreak and escape of Timothy Leary. The "Days of Rage", their first public demonstration on October 8, 1969, was a riot in Chicago timed to coincide with the trial of the Chicago Seven. In 1970 the group issued a "Declaration of a State of War" against the United States government, under the name "Weather Underground Organization" (WUO). The bombing attacks mostly targeted government buildings, along with several banks. Most were preceded by evacuation warnings, along with communiques identifying the particular matter that the attack was intended to protest. For the bombing of the United States Capitol on March 1, 1971, they issued a communique saying it was "in protest of the US invasion of Laos." For the bombing of the Pentagon on May 19, 1972, they stated it was "in retaliation for the US bombing raid in Hanoi." For the January 29, 1975 bombing of the United States Department of State Building, they stated it was "in response to escalation in Vietnam."...........Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Yes, Bill Ayers was a Traitor, Terrorist, bomber, Anarchists and complicit in the murder of his associates. If not for a technicality in his surveillance, he should have been executed

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Big_Bill

I have found one exceedingly fatal flay in liberals,

They can only see, what they want to see.

And an evil person, is only an evil person if he is a conservative or a republican.

Now I never said that Bill Ayers was involved in the OWS !

But if you look back into the 60's, you will see this same behavior occurring as the peaceful anti-draft/ anti-Vietnam protests were loosing steam. Then Bill Ayers, leader of the Weatherman Underground moved in creating kayos and destruction, even murder.

__________________________________________________ ________________________________________________
__________________________________________________ ________________________________________________

Yes, Bill Ayers was a Traitor, Terrorist, bomber, Anarchists and complicit in the murder of his associates. If not for a technicality in his surveillance, he should have been executed

Careful there about pasting large scale quotes without attributing them to their source. Better to link to a source to avoid copyright infringement.

Regards,

D-Ray