"Pope Francis denounces ‘trickle-down’ economic theories in critique of inequality"

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Lotsa "anti-organized religion" types all the sudden got some love for them Catholics

Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and give unto God what is God's.

What you do for the least among you, you do for me.


Put those two together, and it tells me it's not the government's place to take care of the poor.
I think the Pope missed the mark calling for politicians to make things better.

ANYTHING tells you it's not the government's job to take care of the poor. Or your's, or anyone's.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Lotsa "anti-organized religion" types all the sudden got some love for them Catholics

Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and give unto God what is God's.

What you do for the least among you, you do for me.


Put those two together, and it tells me it's not the government's place to take care of the poor.
I think the Pope missed the mark calling for politicians to make things better.

I love everyone in my own mean, sarcastic way. Yes, even Catholics. It's just that they finally have a Pope who's bold enough to tell his flock that American style Conservatism runs afoul of Gods word.

So, if you came upon Jesus and he said he was hungry, tired and naked, you'd tell him "Go get a job you f**king bum!"?

I think you need to reassess the basic nature of your ideology and the glaring way it conflicts with the teachings of Christ. You've been fed a pack of absurd lies by the likes of St. Ronnie and the Church of Righteous Greed.

Dave

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I love everyone in my own mean, sarcastic way. Yes, even Catholics. It's just that they finally have a Pope who's bold enough to tell his flock that American style Conservatism runs afoul of Gods word.

So, if you came upon Jesus and he said he was hungry, tired and naked, you'd tell him "Go get a job you f**king bum!"?

I think you need to reassess the basic nature of your ideology and the glaring way it conflicts with the teachings of Christ. You've been fed a pack of absurd lies by the likes of St. Ronnie and the Church of Righteous Greed.

Dave

Your assumptions, while dramatic, don't reflect my attitude at all. Your cynical stereotype of the cruel, selfish individualist is I'm sure a convenient outlet to direct your anger.
The facts, however, stand in bold contrast to your view. Capitalist, Christian, free enterprise based societies are by far the most charitable, with the highest levels of volunteerism.
I don't expect you to understand or believe what you can't see for yourself though. I just do what I can and have faith that I'm trying to serve my God as he taught, while recognizing I will fall short of the mark, and am forgiven.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Your assumptions, while dramatic, don't reflect my attitude at all. Your cynical stereotype of the cruel, selfish individualist is I'm sure a convenient outlet to direct your anger.
The facts, however, stand in bold contrast to your view. Capitalist, Christian, free enterprise based societies are by far the most charitable, with the highest levels of volunteerism.
I don't expect you to understand or believe what you can't see for yourself though. I just do what I can and have faith that I'm trying to serve my God as he taught, while recognizing I will fall short of the mark, and am forgiven.

While the bolded statement is true, it is also true that the social democracies such as those in northern Europe are more generous and engaged in improving the lives of the poor than we are. I think that this is the Pope's point.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

Your assumptions, while dramatic, don't reflect my attitude at all. Your cynical stereotype of the cruel, selfish individualist is I'm sure a convenient outlet to direct your anger.
The facts, however, stand in bold contrast to your view. Capitalist, Christian, free enterprise based societies are by far the most charitable, with the highest levels of volunteerism.
I don't expect you to understand or believe what you can't see for yourself though. I just do what I can and have faith that I'm trying to serve my God as he taught, while recognizing I will fall short of the mark, and am forgiven.

Originally Posted by finnbow

While the bolded statement is true, it is also true that the social democracies such as those in northern Europe are more generous and engaged in improving the lives of the poor than we are. I think that this is the Pope's point.

Right. Less charity and volunteerism, because there is less need for it.

Also, there is no way to know whether one is forgiven until the end of ones life when whence he faces judgment. The whole pre-forgiven for events that have as yet to occur is a fallacy. It's like giving someone a pass at birth for any crimes he may commit later in life. It simply doesn't work that way.................unless you're born rich and connected, of course.

Dave

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by bobabode

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...y.html?hpid=z1

"trickle down" is a euphemism for "piss on"

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by noonereal

"trickle down" is a euphemism for "piss on"

You mean that gentle warm yellow rain isn't manna from on high?

[donquixote99]

To cut to the chase, if an omniscient, omnipotent God, knowing everything that was going to happen, created the world the way it is on purpose, I cannot forgive Him.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

To cut to the chase, if an omniscient, omnipotent God, knowing everything that was going to happen, created the world the way it is on purpose, I cannot forgive Him.

Near as I recall He gave us free will and a good rule to live by, as Rabbi Hillel put it

"That which is distasteful to you do not do unto others, that is the law the rest is mere commentary."

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Near as I recall He gave us free will and a good rule to live by, as Rabbi Hillel put it

"That which is distasteful to you do not do unto others, that is the law the rest is mere commentary."

1. We don't follow that a lot, and he knew we wouldn't from the get-go.

2. Lots of bad things happen that cannot be reasonably attributed to rule violations.