Obama vs the Supreme Court

[wgrr]

Originally Posted by mezz

The annointed buffoon has challenged the Supreme Court once again by declaring (shockingly) that the judicial branch will have overreached if they decide that he (and congress) have overreached by enacting into law a mandate that is unconstitutional.

Obama, who was president of the Harvard Law Review is (unless he excelled at that position like he's doing in his current one) well aware of Marbury vs. Madison (1803) wherein the supreme court first declared a law passed by congress to be unconstitutional. He's again playing the public for stupid by making a show of this in the media. The court will surely not be coerced by such behaviour.

The annointed buffon? Who the hell is that. Is it similar to the SCOTUS appointment of President ignoramus in 2000 despite the fact that the ignoramus lost by 500,000 votes
and Gore would have won the state of Florida in a recount if it had not been stopped.

The SCOTUS does need to be reigned in. The FEC v Citizens United ruling is a prime example of the court inventing an issue to rule that corporations are people and declaring money is their free speech.

The Marbury v. Madison case simply created the most powerful branch of government by creating, at the time, nine lifetime appointed Kings of the US.

If I were Obama I would let the court rule, and if the mandate is declared unconstitutional, Obama should just ignore the ruling and roll out the ACA just as it was written and passed into law. You see the SCOTUS only has the power of words. They have no way to enforce rulings that determine laws are unconstitutional.

SCOTUS rulings have been ignored before.

It was about Chief Justice Marshall’s decision in Worcester v. Georgia that President Andrew Jackson roared, “He has made his decision, now let him enforce it.” Jackson ignored the Supreme Court ruling regarding the Cherokee
Indians and drove them from their land in Georgia, supposedly to resettle west of the Mississippi.

[piece-itpete]

If it's any consolation, if they declare it unConsititutional Obama can always chew them out next State of the Union

Pete

[mezz]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

If it's any consolation, if they declare it unConsititutional Obama can always chew them out next State of the Union

Pete

His opportunities to do so are now mercifully limited... and that deserves one hell of a Hallelujah!!!

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by mezz

His opportunities to do so are now mercifully limited... and that deserves one hell of a Hallelujah!!!

Don't count your chickens before you crow....

[merrylander]

The SCOTUS ceased to be relevant when they annointed George W Bush as president

[RamblinE]

It's not judicial activism if a conservative agrees with it.

Judicial activism is only a liberal thing

[BlueStreak]

I just think it would be better for everyone if healthcare was taken out of the hands of employers. I hate the idea of people having to worry about how to pay for medical issues if they've been laid off, trying to retire or simply decide to change careers. And, I believe it's far more wrong and inefficient to simply walk off and not pay.

The answer is to see that everyone has their own coverage, one way or another. And that everyone who can pay in, is paying in.

Otherwise we're just pissing in the wind.

Think about it.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I just think it would be better for everyone if healthcare was taken out of the hands of employers. I hate the idea of people having to worry about how to pay for medical issues if they've been laid off, trying to retire or simply decide to change careers. And, I believe it's far more wrong and inefficient to simply walk off and not pay.

The answer is to see that everyone has their own coverage, one way or another. And that everyone who can pay in, is paying in.

Otherwise we're just pissing in the wind.

Think about it.

Dave

Well, have any of you know-it-all conservatives come up with anything better?

I mean y'all purport to have a better way to do just about everything.

So, what is it?

I await the wonderous experience of being enthralled by your boundless wisdom.

"Wisdom is the domain of the Wiz....(Which is extinct.)"

Dave

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Well, have any of you know-it-all conservatives come up with anything better?

I mean y'all purport to have a better way to do just about everything.

So, what is it?

I await the wonderous experience of being enthralled by your boundless wisdom.

"Wisdom is the domain of the Wiz....(Which is extinct.)"

Dave

Jeez Dave, Put up or shut up? How boorish of you......
Before you know it, they'll be some wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth about the HollywordLiberalPress.superpac. That'll be a hoot.

[whell]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Well, have any of you know-it-all conservatives come up with anything better?

I mean y'all purport to have a better way to do just about everything.

So, what is it?

I await the wonderous experience of being enthralled by your boundless wisdom.

"Wisdom is the domain of the Wiz....(Which is extinct.)"

Dave

Sure. To echo a point you made earlier, and to expand on it:

- no more employer group health insurance. Why should I get a better deal on health care costs versus someone who is self-employed just because I work for an employer who offers group coverage with a qualified (pre-tax) plan?

- health care is no longer 100% financed by insurance. It was a fine idea 60 years ago, but health care products, and health care utilization, have evolved and this is no longer a sustainable model.

- health insurance is only available as catastrophic coverage. Think of it as an insurance policy with a very high deductible: $50000 or maybe even $100000.

- Heath care costs over (pick a number, but you get the idea) $10000 are 100% tax deductible. They are fully deductible up to the level of the individual's catastrophic coverage policy. If you libs want get involved in means - testing health care cost/coverage, here's your chance: you can means-test the level of the tax deduction. Maybe the 1%'ers only get a 50% tax deduction for medical costs.

- Wellness / preventative services are also 100% tax deductible. Elective or cosmetic medical services or products are not tax deductible.

- Update or repeal outdated health care delivery regulations. For example, do I really need to see a physician to diagnose and treat a cold, sinus infection or ear infection? Why can't these services be provided by a nurse practitioner (a nurse with an advanced medical degree) or a physician's assistant? Get states out of the business of regulating health insurance since it is now only available as a catastrophic product.

- Some level of tort reform to get liability costs under control, as well as getting rid of the incentives for CYA medical services which drive costs and provide little value to the patient.

- Physicians can compete for delivery of services, offer competitive financing arrangements, which will help drive down costs. No need to negotiate with insurance carriers for reimbursement rates. No need to upcharge some patients to pay for reduced reimbursements from Medicare to defray the cost of treating other patients. And this is key - no giant government bureaucracies for health care financing, regulation, and mandating unproductive delivery models. No need for thousands of additional IRS agents to police the health care system.

There. Fixed. Under this model, everyone has access to the same health care system with the same level playing field. Individuals have an incentive to stay well by accessing wellness services, and also to stay well to avoid having to pay something out of pocket to cover their health issues (yes, even in health care spending you need to have skin in the game to drive healthy behaviors). And its cost effective - dirt cheap when compared to PPACA, and direct cheap compared to what other countries are going broke right now trying to finance. It allows for market forces to increase inefficiencies and encourage innovation, while getting rid of the incentives for delivery of CYA medical services.