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Old 01-13-2017, 04:36 PM
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Good reason why a substantive and substantial section of the public ignore them.

Anyhow for CNN and Newsweek--their body of work indicate a Soros agenda.

And BTW over the pond the BBC still cannot believe the public did not follow them on Brexit.
I think a bigger reason is that people now seek news that confirms their worldview (i.e., confirmation bias). Obviously, CNN and the NYTimes don't conform to Whell's worldview.
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Old 01-13-2017, 05:39 PM
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I think a bigger reason is that people now seek news that confirms their worldview (i.e., confirmation bias). Obviously, CNN and the NYTimes don't conform to Whell's worldview.
The theme after the election, even on election night as it started to dawn on the MSM that they totally got it wrong, was that they need to get there asses out - away from their hideouts in the east and the west coasts - and start trying to figure out what the rest of the country thinks. Even Baquet at the NY Times said:

“If I have a mea culpa for journalists and journalism, it’s that we’ve got to do a much better job of being on the road, out in the country, talking to different kinds of people than the people we talk to — especially if you happen to be a New York-based news organization — and remind ourselves that New York is not the real world.”

The NBC anchor Tom Brokaw echoed that sentiment, lamenting that for all its efforts at advancing diversity, the news media was still “pretty confined” to “the Eastern Seaboard.”


So, yeah, I agree with Baquet and Brokaw on this one - your smarmy comment not withstanding - that the NY Times and the rest of the MSM have a very narrow perspective that tends to reflect only half - or less than half - of what the rest of the county thinks. They need to fix that, regardless of how that might upset your little tea cart.
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Old 01-13-2017, 06:12 PM
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The theme after the election, even on election night as it started to dawn on the MSM that they totally got it wrong, was that they need to get there asses out - away from their hideouts in the east and the west coasts - and start trying to figure out what the rest of the country thinks. Even Baquet at the NY Times said:

“If I have a mea culpa for journalists and journalism, it’s that we’ve got to do a much better job of being on the road, out in the country, talking to different kinds of people than the people we talk to — especially if you happen to be a New York-based news organization — and remind ourselves that New York is not the real world.”

The NBC anchor Tom Brokaw echoed that sentiment, lamenting that for all its efforts at advancing diversity, the news media was still “pretty confined” to “the Eastern Seaboard.”


So, yeah, I agree with Baquet and Brokaw on this one - your smarmy comment not withstanding - that the NY Times and the rest of the MSM have a very narrow perspective that tends to reflect only half - or less than half - of what the rest of the county thinks. They need to fix that, regardless of how that might upset your little tea cart.
I complete agree with the above assessment. I read the NYTimes, WashPost, Economist, WSJournal, Breitbart, Washington Times, Haaretz, Jerusalem Post, the Guardian, Reuters and watch PBS, BBC, and CNN, MSNBC and Fox News and even listen to some talk radio. However, I know full well what I'm getting from each of them. Each had its own ideological bent and different degrees of credibility & journalistic integrity (with FoxNews, Breitbart and talk radio occupying the lowest rungs IMO).

I use my own filter, something that you also ascribe to doing. Buzzfeed's release of the dossier was of debatable ethics, to be sure. However, I don't expect particularly high ethics from them, just as I don't expect particularly high ethics from WikiLeaks who released material almost certainly stolen by Russian security services with the intent of interfering with the election (and something you had no qualms about. You even praised the exposure of material thereby attained).

While what Buzzfeed did was debatably ethical (unlike the unquestionably illegal activities of Wikileaks/Russia), what CNN (and everybody else since) did was completely ethical and newsworthy. They reported the fact that the Intelligence Community (and much of Washington, including the Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee) knew of a laundry list of possible compromises of Trump by Russian intelligence and saw it as important enough to brief Trump and Obama on.

You may not like the fact that a respected, retired MI6 investigator (he was behind the successful corruption investigation of FIFA and had considerable experience in Russia) produced this dossier for the Republican (and later the Democratic) Party, but he did and a lot of people found it troubling enough to brief Trump and Obama about it. The fact that the details of the report are unverified is relevant and was reported as such, as was the fact that it was deemed important enough to include in a briefing to the POTUS and the POTUS-elect.

Yer boy, der Trumpenfuhrer, needs to get the Putin stink off of him as quickly as he can. His handling of all matters Russian, including the handling of this story, doesn't help.
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Old 01-13-2017, 06:50 PM
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Yer boy, der Trumpenfuhrer, needs to get the Putin stink off of him as quickly as he can. His handling of all matters Russian, including the handling of this story, doesn't help.
Trump knows that the stink would come once he proposed to engage Russia.

It appears to me that he not going to duck and run. There is a Rex Tillerson faction that is going to support him.

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Trump knows that the stink would come once he proposed to engage Russia.

It appears to me that he not going to duck and run. There is a Rex Tillerson faction that is going to support him.
I have little problem imagining that Putin has some kompromat on Trump. In fact, I find it unimaginable that he doesn't.

A gal I'm sure you, a Putin fanboy, despises, Anne Applebaum, summarizes my views on Trump/Putin fairly succinctly.

Information doesn’t have to be secret to be shocking. Trump doesn’t have to be a Manchurian candidate who has been hypnotized or recruited by foreign intelligence. It’s enough that he has direct and indirect links to a profoundly corrupt and violent foreign dictator, whose policies he admires, whose advisers he shares and whose slogans he uses. That’s kompromat enough for me.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...a6b_story.html
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I have little problem imagining that Putin has some kompromat on Trump. In fact, I find it unimaginable that he doesn't.

A gal I'm sure you, a Putin fanboy, despises, Anne Applebaum, summarizes my views on Trump/Putin fairly succinctly.

Information doesn’t have to be secret to be shocking. Trump doesn’t have to be a Manchurian candidate who has been hypnotized or recruited by foreign intelligence. It’s enough that he has direct and indirect links to a profoundly corrupt and violent foreign dictator, whose policies he admires, whose advisers he shares and whose slogans he uses. That’s kompromat enough for me.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...a6b_story.html
Trump is seeing the bigger picture. And I repeat...Russia is not an economic competitor to the US. Our Jobs are not going to Russia. There is hardly any made in Russia merchandise in our shops.

In every corner of the globe the Chinese are beaten us with soft power. Yet there is a loud noise calling for war with Russia led by the old cold warriors and the Soros clique.

The Tillerson faction is saying we need to do business with Russia; but is stymied by the John McCains and the Soros boys who have powerful connections to business, government and media both here and in Europe.
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Old 01-13-2017, 09:17 PM
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Trump is seeing the bigger picture. And I repeat...Russia is not an economic competitor to the US. Our Jobs are not going to Russia. There is hardly any made in Russia merchandise in our shops.

In every corner of the globe the Chinese are beaten us with soft power. Yet there is a loud noise calling for war with Russia led by the old cold warriors and the Soros clique.

The Tillerson faction is saying we need to do business with Russia; but is stymied by the John McCains and the Soros boys who have powerful connections to business, government and media both here and in Europe.
Our issues with Russia have nothing to do with trade. After all, the only Russian products that anybody wants are oil, gas and weapons. It's about them wanting to undermine western liberal democracies because of Putin's insecurities about being a second class power with a fucked up economy. He dreams of a future with Mother Russia again being the second major power in a bi-polar world. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on (bare-chested, of course). And your great big bogeyman, Soros, has nothing to do with it (other than being able to recognize Putin for what he is, something you seem unable to do, tovarich).
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Trump is seeing the bigger picture. And I repeat...Russia is not an economic competitor to the US. Our Jobs are not going to Russia. There is hardly any made in Russia merchandise in our shops.

In every corner of the globe the Chinese are beaten us with soft power. Yet there is a loud noise calling for war with Russia led by the old cold warriors and the Soros clique.

The Tillerson faction is saying we need to do business with Russia; but is stymied by the John McCains and the Soros boys who have powerful connections to business, government and media both here and in Europe.
The only loud noise about war with Russia I hear is the loud accusations that 'those awful people want war with Russia.' I figure plenty want confrontation with Russia; that fills rice bowls. And plenty think badly of Russian aggressing in our politics. But no serious people want actual war with Russia.
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Our issues with Russia have nothing to do with trade. After all, the only Russian products that anybody wants are oil, gas and weapons. It's about them wanting to undermine western liberal democracies because of Putin's insecurities about being a second class power with a fucked up economy. He dreams of a future with Mother Russia again being the second major power in a bi-polar world. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on (bare-chested, of course). And your great big bogeyman, Soros, has nothing to do with it (other than being able to recognize Putin for what he is, something you seem unable to do, tovarich).
Our issues with Russia are being driven because "great, big bogeyman" Soros and his gang got kicked out of Russia...pure and simple.

Putin read them correctly, saw through their machinations and their many fronts. Their ultimate aim was the balkanization of Russia. They love weak leaders like Yeltsin, who allowed them to play their usual games.

Having failed in their intent, they tried to pressure OBama to have a go at Russia: through media outlets like CNN, Newsweek and through remnants of the Bush people in his administration like Nuland.

But Obama did not yield to the pressure. Then they even tried to contact Colin Powell to convince him. I guess brother to brother might work. But it did not.

Then they were salivating for Hillary to enter. It looked like a done deal. And the highly unexpected occurred. WTF happened. Hey it must be them fucking Russians. Yeah the Russians influenced her to campaign lightly in the Rust Belt and spend money in California. Yeah the Russians told her that the popular vote was more important than the electoral matrix and that no way the political dunce Trump could break the blue wall.

It sounds so hypocritical to hear US politicians and intel community bleat about intervention in US politics.

And BTW Soros is real...world wide.

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Old 01-14-2017, 06:21 AM
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Our issues with Russia are being driven because "great, big bogeyman" Soros and his gang got kicked out of Russia...pure and simple.

Putin read them correctly, saw through their machinations and their many fronts. Their ultimate aim was the balkanization of Russia. They love weak leaders like Yeltsin, who allowed them to play their usual games.

Having failed in their intent, they tried to pressure OBama to have a go at Russia through media outlets like CNN, Newsweek and through remnants of the Bush people in his administration like Nuland.

But Obama did not yield to the pressure. Then they even tried to contact Colin Powell to convince him. I guess brother to brother might work. But it did not.

Then they were salivating for Hillary to enter. It looked like a done deal. And the highly unexpected occurred. WTF happened. Hey it must be them fucking Russians. Yeah they made her campaign lightly in the Rust Belt and spend money in California.

It sounds so hypocritical to hear US politicians and intel community bleat about intervention in US politics.

And BTW Soros is real...world wide.
Great post. Of course Putin would have preferred a Clinton presidency. Far easier to deal with a grandma toting a reset button than a wildcard who rejects the orthodoxy of globalism.

The Dems need the "comprising info" story to be true to perpetuate the "Putin favors Trump" lie to appear true. And give whiney Dems who choose to skip tne inauguration ceremony some political cover.
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