Mass Killing at Sandy Hook Elementary School, Newtown Conn.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

So, now when a killer kills....it IS societies fault? Interesting statement to say the least.
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Regards,
Dave

To some degree.

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Of course we need to get control over the efficient killing machines that are readily available to anyone with a grudge and a sick mind. But there is something wrong when we are seeing so many examples of people who pay no heed to the lives they are shattering. There are some folks walking around with dead souls. And that is frightening.

Regards,

D-Ray

I think what we need is a hard look on what's changed over the past 30 years.

Originally Posted by ebacon

I love One Piece at a time Pete . . . a little bit more.

To quote you not too long ago, you know you love me

Originally Posted by ebacon

It's not about need. The issue with gun control is crafting language that works in a particular society.

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In relation to our laws, I agree. Guns were around a while back - why the spike in these types of things?

I think one needs to think hard about what's really wrong and not just knee jerk it.

Pete

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I think what we need is a hard look on what's changed over the past 30 years.


Pete

30 years ago? That's about when Reagan was elected, right?

[finnbow]

I think part of it was the number of conservative Democrats who lost their seats after voting for the assault weapons ban in 1994. Since then, the Dems have punted on the issue of more effective gun control and the GOP has become even more emboldened in their gun craziness. For example, just yesterday on the Sunday morning talkies, Louie Gohmert (R-TX) was lamenting that the principle at Sandy Hook didn't have an M4 (the militarized, automatic carbine version of the M16) in her office so she could have shot it out with the perp. Feckin' brilliant.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I think part of it was the number of conservative Democrats who lost their seats after voting for the assault weapons ban in 1994. Since then, the Dems have punted on the issue of more effective gun control and the GOP has become even more emboldened in their gun craziness. For example, just yesterday on the Sunday morning talkies, Louie Gohmert (R-TX) was lamenting that the principle at Sandy Hook didn't have an M4 (the militarized, automatic carbine version of the M16) in her office so she could have shot it out with the perp. Feckin' brilliant.

The "more guns" argument is all over the right wing media. That and more concealed carry, "the only form of gun legislation which has been proven to work".

John

[Boreas]

I'm rapidly growing to hate this country.

http://mashable.com/2012/12/17/sunda...tball-newtown/

John

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by Boreas

The "more guns" argument is all over the right wing media. That and more concealed carry, "the only form of gun legislation which has been proven to work".

John

Do they actually believe this crap? Are they so totally removed from reality?

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by Boreas

I'm rapidly growing to hate this country.

http://mashable.com/2012/12/17/sunda...tball-newtown/

John

That is truly tragic. But not surprising.

[piece-itpete]

There has been a spike in rampages because blue dog dems lost their seats?

What's effective gun control? All the ban will do is make them more expensive. Are poor folks more likely to go ape than the wealthy?

One solution I'm hearing is more security in the schools. Which amounts to a gun in the hands of the good guys.

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

There has been a spike in rampages because blue dog dems lost their seats?

What's effective gun control? All the ban will do is make them more expensive. Are poor folks more likely to go ape than the wealthy?

One solution I'm hearing is more security in the schools. Which amounts to a gun in the hands of the good guys.

Pete

There's not a single word in this post that makes any sense at all.

Congratulations! That takes some real effort!

John

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

Do they actually believe this crap? Are they so totally removed from reality?

Oh, yes, they do.

When are they going to realize that these shooters generally end up killing themselves? Do they really think someone who plans on committing suicide or expects to get shot in the process by cop or security guard is going to be deterred by the prospect of getting killed?

It's just nuts. Like using gasoline to put out a fire. A man told me recently that we have to find a way to keep the guns out of the killers hands, without affecting legal owners............................

A). How often do we have any idea someone is a "killer" before he has killed?

B). Where did the gun originate from? Usually from a legal owner/dealer who has failed to execute the required checks, operates in a lax control atmosphere or the "black market"---and those weapons usually originate from legal owners/possessers who have had their weapons stolen or don't give a damn who they sell them to.

It's still comes back to ubiquity, proliferation and access. All of which require tighter regulation and enforcement to address. And the NRA and it's obsessed minions will have no part of that, so I guess we're just phucked.

Kiss Little Johnny good night and pray he lives through tomorrow.

Regards,
Dave