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Old 05-18-2012, 03:09 PM
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I still see him as the aggressor, chasing someone down and when confronting the kid bit off more then he could chew. If this goes away then any armed person can pick fights with anyone unarmed without fear of the laws.


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Old 05-18-2012, 03:15 PM
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'Stalking', 'chasing someone down', hmmm... sounds like preconceived notions, my take.

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Old 05-18-2012, 03:19 PM
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'Stalking', 'chasing someone down', hmmm... sounds like preconceived notions, my take.

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Depends on which one you are. Looking at it from Travon side I see a boy walking home at night alone and a man following him in the dark. We will never know if there was any communication between the two. Because it will only be one sided now due to the loss of one party.





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Old 05-18-2012, 03:20 PM
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What the hell does the dispatcher's opinion matter in the case? Stalking is a stretch. You wouldn't watch someone unfamiliar if you lived in a gated community? Doesn't our benevolent government want us to watch and report suspicious actions to presumably curtail terrorist acts? You do not, and no one but Zimmerman, know whether he followed simply because Trayvon was black. Furthermore, If the black community wants blacks to be viewed as being less criminal; perhaps, blacks ought refrain from committing crimes disproportionate to their fraction of the populace. I know the reasons for the black population's higher crime rate is disputable, but the numbers, saliently black on black crime, is not.
So are you saying that George was a victim of justified systemic societal racism. That young black men should be required to prove their innocents of any intended wrong doing to any member of society at any time (not sure how they could do this) or run the risk of being murdered?


Hint: Racism is such that few overtly target a person just for skin color. It is generally far more insidious.


Your answer is interesting however. Just leave the burden to the group to prove their innocence rather than accept people as unique individuals worth of respect by birth. Until the black population can statistically prove that they as a group are as docile as white folk we should be able to murder their children at will. To be honest, I never heard anyone suggest anything like this before.

Let me ask you a question, are you a raciest?
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Old 05-18-2012, 03:22 PM
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If I see someone acting in what I consider to be a suspicious nature, I watch them. I've always thought it was the right thing to do.

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What is suspicious about a kid walking HOME from a store after BUYING candy and soda?

Nothing.

This is part of the problem. People are trying to justify that being black and wearing a hoodie makes one suspicious.
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Old 05-18-2012, 03:25 PM
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I still see him as the aggressor, chasing someone down and when confronting the kid bit off more then he could chew. If this goes away then any armed person can pick fights with anyone unarmed without fear of the laws.


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Yes plus if this goes away a justified backlash can be expected.

Not good.
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Old 05-18-2012, 03:30 PM
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Yes plus if this goes away a justified backlash can be expected.

Not good.
If there is a backlash, it should be directed at the prosecuter for being an overzealous idiot.
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Old 05-18-2012, 03:32 PM
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Depends on which one you are. Looking at it from Travon side I see a boy walking home at night alone and a man following him in the dark. We will never know if there was any communication between the two. Because it will only be one sided now due to the loss of one party.





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Indeed that is a big part of the problem. Many people are identifying with Zimmerman and not bothering to look at this from Trayvon's vantage point.

The kid went out to get candy.
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Old 05-18-2012, 03:32 PM
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I have a problem with rioting being justified. King would be saddened by the whole sordid affair.

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Old 05-18-2012, 03:35 PM
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I have a problem with rioting being justified. King would be saddened by the whole sordid affair.

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Good point. Rioting should never be justifiable.
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