The Rise and Fall of Obamacare

[Tom Joad]

This article falls far short of fully describing what a festering turd of a program Obummercare is, but at least it makes a start.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/...-ever-be-told/

Obamacare was a pro-industry Democrat scam that destroyed an opportunity for single payer education and reform and ultimately brought devastating political ruin to the Democrats themselves.

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[68custom]

while it was a leg up for the insurance industry it may well eventually bring us around to single payer, I hope. also has a few good points like no penalty for pre-existing conditions or the ability to insure your young adult children to age 26.

[icenine]

http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...205-story.html

This is the reality. The OP wants us to believe there is some revolution in the wings heralding single payer after an apocalypse. The OP just doesn't know what the reality is.

Obama sort of made it impossible to repeal the law and if it was repealed a lot of Chumpsters will be up shit creek since they rely on the subsidies or the actual Medicaid expansion themselves.

Most of the hatred of the law is by people who hate to pay for health coverage and deep down are uncomfortable with the idea that a black President did it. There are a lot of people that don't realize 76% of the nation wants to keep it. In other words opposition to the ACA is being driven by people who think Obama was born in Africa. It is more identity politics than anything else. Right now we are at the lowest rate of uninsured ever.

I had to raise this thread from fake news to real news.


Sadly people in red states get cancer like everyone else. That is probably what is going to save Obamacare. Hopefully. You can't tell with someone like Trump at the helm.
He believes in conspiracy theories....

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

There are a lot of people that don't realize 76% of the nation wants to keep it. In other words opposition to the ACA is being driven by people who think Obama was born in Africa.

Nice try at spin doctoring Ice, but you're not going to get away with it as long as I am around.

44% approve of Obamacare, 51% disapprove.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/195383/am...itive-aca.aspx

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Nice try at spin doctoring Ice, but you're not going to get away with it as long as I am around.

44% approve of Obamacare, 51% disapprove.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/195383/am...itive-aca.aspx

While people do indeed express dissatisfaction with Obamacare, people also overwhelmingly support most of its key features.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

While people do indeed express dissatisfaction with Obamacare, people also overwhelmingly support most of its key features.

You're making quite a stretch when you say "overwhelmingly support most of its key features.".

All you can get from the poll that ICE linked to is "support for some of it's features".

Hell, I even support some of it. like the pre-existing conditions part, the elimination of lifetime caps on payouts and keeping your kids on till 26, and I hate the law. Ice is trying to imply that everyone outside of the 26% that want the entire thing repealed like the law, and that is just not true. Only 19% say keep it as is. That means 81% want it either changed or scraped.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

You're making quite a stretch when you say "overwhelmingly support most of its key features.".

All you can get from the poll that ICE linked to is "support for some of it's features".

Hell, I even support some of it. like the pre-existing conditions part, the elimination of lifetime caps on payouts and keeping your kids on till 26, and I hate the law. Ice is trying to imply that everyone outside of the 26% that want the entire thing repealed like the law, and that is just not true. Only 19% say keep it as is. That means 81% want it either changed or scraped.

I believe that, but they want the changed scheme to include a number of key Obamacare provisions, including those you mentioned.

[Denier]

Originally Posted by icenine

http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...205-story.html

This is the reality. The OP wants us to believe there is some revolution in the wings heralding single payer after an apocalypse. The OP just doesn't know what the reality is.

Obama sort of made it impossible to repeal the law and if it was repealed a lot of Chumpsters will be up shit creek since they rely on the subsidies or the actual Medicaid expansion themselves.

Most of the hatred of the law is by people who hate to pay for health coverage and deep down are uncomfortable with the idea that a black President did it. There are a lot of people that don't realize 76% of the nation wants to keep it. In other words opposition to the ACA is being driven by people who think Obama was born in Africa. It is more identity politics than anything else. Right now we are at the lowest rate of uninsured ever.

I had to raise this thread from fake news to real news.


Sadly people in red states get cancer like everyone else. That is probably what is going to save Obamacare. Hopefully. You can't tell with someone like Trump at the helm.
He believes in conspiracy theories....

You are a liar. Obummer is half white.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Denier

You are a liar. Obummer is half white.

You are a silly man with a big mouth.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Denier

You are a liar. Obummer is half white.

No.

You just can't handle the truth. If you want your values reinforced head back over to Breitbart.com.