Goodbye, and good luck.

[Bigerik]

Pete, how do you figure it was legal? They fabricated evidence to justify an attack on a country that was no threat at all to the US.

[neophyte]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

The Iraqis did???

close enough, right? I mean, they all look alike and everything. After all an A rab is an A rab right? Why would a country built on the land of the indigenous races we exterminated so we could kidnap and enslave another ethnic group for forced labor know any better?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The invasion of Iraq was perfectly 'legal', whatever that means.

I think it means that it wasn't (in the eyes of many):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War

[piece-itpete]

Iraq firing on our planes was a violation of the treaty that ended the 1st gulf war. It's really simple and very cut and dried.

Originally Posted by Charles

Well, they did blow up the Marine Corp barracks, a couple of embassies, the Cole, the World Trade Center twice, at least that what comes to mind quickly.

There's some people you just can't get along with.

Chas

Agreed and I was none too clear methinks. Regional stability is our goal because the unstability was allowing/causing attacks. Oil too, better some two bit dictator gets the money then some would be Stalin.

Neo, I don't believe any regular here is stupid or ignorant. Much anyway

Pete

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Iraq firing on our planes was a violation of the treaty that ended the 1st gulf war. It's really simple and very cut and dried.

So, that's the reason we went to war? Who knew?

[piece-itpete]

It means the genius Saddam gave us cover....

Pete

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by finnbow

So, that's the reason we went to war? Who knew?

So we spent billions of dollars and thousands of lives cause they shot at our planes??? You are kidding, right Pete?

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

So we kill off the current system. What do we replace it with?

Pete

Parliamentary Government?

[piece-itpete]

If that means we get the yelling and catcalling like the British parliment you're on Rob! Is the Canadian parliment like that?

Erik - it means our invasion of Iraq was 'legal'. Our reasons can be our own. Thank the Butcher of Bagdad for screwing up that argument

Neo - how can you sleep at night, knowing you're sleeping on stolen land?

Pete

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

The Iraqis did???

Of course not the Iraqis. They only thing that Iraq, or rather Saddam did was to position themselves where we could use their behavior as an excuse to invade them. In order to have a base of operations where we could apply pressure on the entire region.

As far as our national interests as well as global stability goes, the Middle East is a barrel of rotten apples. Even our buddies the Suadimites ain't too much to brag about. The invasion of Iraq, besides getting rid of one worthless sumbitch, was, one again, an attempt to apply pressure on the entire region.

Perhaps it wasn't the thing to do. But since we've basically disengaged at this point we'll never know whether it was or not. IMHO.

Now was I in favor of the war...not really. Did I think we had other options...yes. Am I happy that we've taken our ball and gone home...for sure.

But this situation is more complex than Bush lied so that he could start an illegal war. I would imagine that those behind what has happened know a hell of a lot more than we do. And there is no doubt in my mind that plenty of backroom deals and corruption took place. It's a bad situation, and quite possibly one without a good solution.

I'm a simple person. I simply don't know all of the facts, and I simply don't know what the best solution would be.

But I do know one thing. Anyone who claims to have all of the answers is only fooling themselves. At best, the may have a point. This isn't mathematics.

Although I'm a stoopid hillbilly from Bugtussell, I'm smart enough to realize it.

Chas