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Old 09-02-2017, 07:28 AM
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Corrupt and abusive police are a feature of tyranny.

Here police do a false arrest because a nurse refuses to draw blood illegally. They want the blood sample they for self-serving reasons--they hope results will enable them to blame the 3rd party victim in an accident stemming from a police chase.

https://egbertowillies.com/2017/09/0...ood-illegally/
The police department is complicit.
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Old 09-02-2017, 08:45 AM
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On this page there's a longer video of what went down. Cops position is basically, paraphrasing, 'If you don't do whatever I say you're obstructing and subject to arrest. If I'm wrong you have to obey anyway and sue me later.'

Nurse in hard place. She handled it well. If she'd given the blood and the patient later sued, the hospital would have put it all on her for violating their policy. Police tried to coerce her to do just that with their arrest power.
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:25 AM
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At Inland the police usually would wait until the initial medical care by the ER team was done, and wait until the x-rays and labs were over. Not once while I worked there did I ever see the police order any medical staff around like on that video. I think most ERs and local law enforcement work together pretty well.

The person who does the blood draw for the authorities works for the police department here in Riverside County and they usually take 30 minutes or so to show up. It has to be a designated individual not just anyone. When I would see them drawing blood I would think well I am having a bad day at work but nothing like the person lying on gurney about to be hit with a huge legal bill and maybe prison. X-raying drunk people is not very fun but it is better when they are completely zonked than when they are abusive to staff.
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Lesson Four from historian Tim Snyder:



Also, know a meme when you see one.
Today I listened to the second amendment arguments for the umpteenth time and the word "rights" kept coming up. The right to bear arms vs the right to be safe.

IMO the word duty was wilting in the shadow of the word right. As a practical matter rights are what we want. Duty is how we behave to have what we want without pissing off our neighbors.

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Today I listened to the second amendment arguments for the umpteenth time and the word "rights" kept coming up. The right to bear arms vs the right to be safe.

IMO the word duty was wilting in the shadow of the word right. As a practical matter rights are what we want. Duty is how we behave to have what we want without pissing off our neighbors.

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Without a civilian militia, it's a right without a purpose and a liability as interpreted by some as a justification for armed insurrection.
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Without a civilian militia, it's a right without a purpose and a liability as interpreted by some as a justification for armed insurrection.
You have a succinct perception of the state of affairs with regard to the second amendment.

What would be your feelings if you had to give up writing?
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:03 PM
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You have a succinct perception of the state of affairs with regard to the second amendment.

What would be your feelings if you had to give up writing?
Most of us need transport to live our daily lives, but have no Constitutional statement granting the right to own it, and somehow, that works. Firearm custodianship practically doesn't require a constitutionally granted right in most countries that dont specifically prohibit it. Here, it hasn't been unusual for local authorities to override and contramand Federal laws and regulations.

The 2nd not really equivalent with the 1st or the others without its purpose, which has expired. It has become a liability due to oversupply of a hazardous commodity and poor accountability. Vegas is the latest predictable result with more than 500 shot and more than 10 percent dead by one man, there will be many more incidences like this because things will only get worse because nothing is going to change regarding free distribution of any quantity desired regardless of purpose, a percentage of which also bleeds into the criminal black market.

There is no responsible practical logic whatsoever to the 2nd Amendment religion, its just an irrational justification for arming up for the bubba revolution with privately held arsenals, tho there have been instances of armed resistance to local tyranny by opressed minorities where having one available made a critical difference.
Otherwise, the simple historical lesson is that armed insurrection against Federal forces is usually ineffective at best, and disastrous otherwise.
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An aside, bakers and florists claiming a religious exemption to the requirement for equal accommodation of goods and services.
By law, the requirement exists, but its also possible that demands could be made for goods and services strictly as harassment and intimidation. For instance, custom pastries and floral arrangements for people and groups hostile to the people providing the service, which goes way beyond simply extending the reciprocal courtesy of not requesting something from someone who in good concience feels they cannot provide the service.
How should this be adjudicated?
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Old 10-08-2017, 10:05 PM
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An aside, bakers and florists claiming a religious exemption to the requirement for equal accommodation of goods and services.
By law, the requirement exists, but its also possible that demands could be made for goods and services strictly as harassment and intimidation. For instance, custom pastries and floral arrangements for people and groups hostile to the people providing the service, which goes way beyond simply extending the reciprocal courtesy of not requesting something from someone who in good concience feels they cannot provide the service.
How should this be adjudicated?
Harassment like you describe certainly wrong, if and when it happens. But at least the harassed providers would get paid. If the whole thing stops being an issue, the motivation for any such harassment goes away, I think. Don't think we need to complicate the law here.
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