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12-02-2010, 09:14 AM
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You think the US is a large energy consumer?
Somebody turn the lights off when we leave.
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12-02-2010, 12:33 PM
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The report appears to be aimed at contingency planning: "The purpose of this report is to imagine the unthinkable—to push the boundaries of current research on climate change so we may better understand the potential implications on United States national security,...”, "We have created a climate change scenario that although not the most likely, is plausible, and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately."
Far, far from no doubt. Regardless, what do you think we should do?
Pete
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12-02-2010, 12:35 PM
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Btw D I love those types of pics. It shows that the Greater Cleveland area, or perhaps the 'northeat Ohio region' (Cleveland, Akron, Youngstown, Ashtabula) is much larger than people think
Isn't the northern seaboard amazing?
Pete
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12-02-2010, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by piece-itpete
Btw D I love those types of pics. It shows that the Greater Cleveland area, or perhaps the 'northeat Ohio region' (Cleveland, Akron, Youngstown, Ashtabula) is much larger than people think
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Speaking of Cleveland, are you going to the Lebron-athon tonight? This game (Miami - Cleveland) is getting as much hype as his decision to sign with Miami in the first place. Give it a friggin' rest, Cleveland (and ESPN).
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12-02-2010, 01:44 PM
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Data, hmm. The data says the temp went up. The data does not say why.
He says repeatedly that we need to look at the science, as if they have proof. They do not.
As a matter of fact, the models so assuredly 'proving' things are wrong. And one thing he doesn't mention - they don't run backwards accurately.
So the two ways they could prove their accuracy - accurately predicting the future, and accurately corresponding to the past - they fail at. They don't have enough data
But it would come as no surprise to me that human activity is influencing things. Heck, we're destroying the planet regardless.
So OK, say humans are changing the planet temperature. What then? Kyoto is an unmitigated failure - basically, the signatories lied or were at least full of crap. And even if they didn't, it wouldn't have stopped a darn thing!
Yes, it looks bleak, and I think the data says it IS bleak
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Finn, I was going to post about it! No, I'm not going. But what an uproar. Let's see what happens, riot? interesting crowd chants? perhaps a shot or two?
I hope it's the chants.
Pete
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12-02-2010, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Pukka Sahib
There is no doubt about it. Science is based upon empirical evidence, not opinion. Here is an article by Joseph Romm entitled "The cold truth about climate change" which addresses the issue:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...arming_deniers
As Dr. Romm put it: “What matters is scientific findings - data, not opinions.”
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OK, I'll stipulate that climate change is for real and caused by man-generated CO2 emissions. What then?
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12-02-2010, 03:39 PM
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OK, I'll stipulate that climate change is for real and caused by man-generated CO2 emissions. What then?
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Perhaps we should all slit our wrists. For the good of the planet, doncha know?
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12-02-2010, 03:53 PM
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Perhaps we should all slit our wrists. For the good of the planet, doncha know?
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Nah, all that blood would soak up too much oxygen.
Regards,
D-Ray
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12-02-2010, 04:02 PM
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Relax, Mother Nature will take care of us, and I have the feeling she is kinda pissed with us.
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12-02-2010, 04:47 PM
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Relax, Mother Nature will take care of us, and I have the feeling she is kinda pissed with us.
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Unless we beat her to the draw.
How do you like my cowboy rhetoric Don?
Chas
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