FAKE NEWS EXPOSED: A Service of PoliticalChat.com

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by whell

What makes you think these are my "pals", or that I don't want appropriate punishments for those who participated in the Jan 6 riot? You're guided by a pretty odd set of assumptions.

You do seem to be very much against what the Jan 6 committee is doing. Or is it you're just opposed to who you think they're going after?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

I linked to my source twice in prior posts. You can check it out for yourself.

No, no violence at all.

Hell, it was Governor Walz in MN, a Democrat, that had to mobilize the National Guard to restore order.

"Let’s be very clear,” Mr. Walz said. “The situation in Minneapolis, is no longer, in any way, about the murder of George Floyd. It is about attacking civil society, instilling fear and disrupting our great cities."

And the situation in Minneapolis was set in motion by a White Nationalist torching an Autozone with the expressed intent of starting a race war.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

And the situation in Minneapolis was set in motion by a White Nationalist torching an Autozone with the expressed intent of starting a race war.

Uh...no.

Yes, the media made sure that the info contained in a search warrant for the unidentified "Umbrella Man" were quickly amplified. However, the media then moved on from that story, apparently believing that they did their part to help try and convict the guy.

Then, a year later, in an unexpected act of journalism, someone went back and asked the question: Hey, whatever happened with the Umbrella Man (who was identified in the warrant as Mitchell Wesley Carlson)? That answer is: Nothing. No arrest warrant, no charges, no trial. Not even a misdemeanor charge for breaking windows.

From the article:

In the search warrant records, Minneapolis police investigator Erika Christensen said authorities were tipped off about the man’s identity. In addition to the eponymous umbrella, he wore a gas mask and was recorded using a small sledgehammer to break AutoZone windows. He is also believed to have spray-painted “free (expletive) for everyone zone” on the store doors.

Further:

Then came a tip that was emailed to the Minneapolis police. Additional research identified the tipster and the police were able to speak directly with this person, who was passing the information along for another individual who preferred to remain anonymous out of fear of Carlson. The informant stated that Carlson is a member of the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club and associated with the Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood (ACB), a small, white supremacist prison/street gang based in Minnesota and Kentucky, whose symbol is a helmeted and winged skull with the initials ACB. “He wanted to sow discord and racial unrest,” the informant told police.

So, the COMPLETE story here Finn is that the cops received a tip from an unidentified source that Carlson was the Umbrella Man. The police get a search warrant - and potentially the search warrant was dressed up with information received from the tipster about groups that Carlson was allegedly associated with, they execute the warrant, and 2 years later none of the allegations in the media have been "proven" (i.e., testimony under oath), beyond that fact that the info about his alleged associations was included in the search warrant.

Available information on-line about Carlson suggests he's no angel. There are public records about domestic abuse, and some less than flattering photos online. Is he the "Umbrella Man"? No one apparently knows for sure, or at the very least, there's insufficient evidence to charge him.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

... there's insufficient evidence to charge him.

The oft-cited Trump era mantra. Similarly, there haven't been charges against the person who placed the two pipe bombs on Jan. 6. That doesn't mean it didn't happen.

In any event, the data is clear that most of the violence associated with the BLM protestors was against the protestors and perpetrated by the police and their kindred spirits in the White Nationalist movement. Yet wingnut media (and you) continues to spew the lie that the violence was almost entirely perpetrated by BLM protestors. Bottom line - You asserted that press reports that BLM protests were "mostly peaceful" was fake news and I provided hard data that showed that ~95% of the protests had zero violence or property damage. In my book, 95% is certainly "most." I suppose in wingnut circles, 5% represents "most."

In a similar vein, many conservative politicians and wingnut news initially blamed Antifa for Jan. 6. It's a reflexive, defensive reaction on their part employing the projection that has become de rigueur on the right - create chaos and blame the other party for the chaos that ensues. The truth, however, is that ~800 people have been arrested thus far for 1/6 and exactly zero of them have been Antifa.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The oft-cited Trump era mantra. Similarly, there haven't been charges against the person who placed the two pipe bombs on Jan. 6. That doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I don't dispute that it happened. If you read my post, you would have understood that.

What I dispute is you continue to repeat that "a white nationalist sparked the MN riots" in 2022. There's no way you can know that given the available information.

All we know is that an anonymous tipster gave some info to the police. That info appeared on a warrant, and that warrant was executed. We don't know whether all of the info that appeared on the warrant was accurate. We do know that the media reported the info on the warrant as if it was a fact. And we can deduce from your recent posts that you continue to parrot that info as if it was a fact.

We do know that the MSM never followed up to report the status of the case against the individual named on the warrant. We can suspect, based on how the media usually traffics this type of info, that they're likely not interested in reporting information that challenges a narrative.

Originally Posted by finnbow

In any event, the data is clear that most of the violence associated with the BLM protestors was against the protestors and perpetrated by the police and their kindred spirits in the White Nationalist movement.

Really? You believe the police are in league with the "White Nationalist movement"? Really? That comment demonstrated that continued rational discourse on this topic may not be possible with you.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Really? You believe the police are in league with the "White Nationalist movement"? Really? That comment demonstrated that continued rational discourse on this topic may not be possible with you.

White Nationalists do indeed enjoy support from kindred spirits within US police departments. It's a widely reported and researched phenomena, both by the press and the FBI itself. I'd like to say that I'm surprised you didn't already know about this widely-reported phenomena, but I guess it doesn't get much coverage in your favored wingnut news sources. To wit:

A Reuters investigation on May 6 indicates that a significant number of U.S. police instructors have ties to a constellation of armed right-wing militias and white supremacist hate groups, a report that adds to a fast-growing body of evidence showing a deadly threat inside U.S. police departments.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/govern...ge-2022-05-12/

Exactly 10 years ago this week, the FBI warned of the potential consequences of white supremacist groups infiltrating local and state law enforcement, indicating it was a significant threat to national security.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...aw-enforcement

The F.B.I.’s counterterrorism division warned that white-supremacist groups were increasingly infiltrating local law enforcement, and federal agents working undercover against violent racist and far-right groups have long been instructed to keep local law enforcement in the dark, because of possible links or sympathies.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily...hite-supremacy

A data breach at a Christian crowdfunding website has revealed that serving police officers and public officials have donated money to fundraisers for accused vigilante murderers, far-right activists, and fellow officers accused of shooting black Americans.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...te-data-breach

There have even also been multiple hearings on the subject in Congress. Here's the transcript of a hearing entitled:
CONFRONTING VIOLENT WHITE SUPREMACY:
WHITE SUPREMACY IN BLUE - THE INFILTRATION OF LOCAL POLICE

If I were you, I would heed Abe Lincoln's advice:

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

Uh...no.

Yes, the media made sure that the info contained in a search warrant for the unidentified "Umbrella Man" were quickly amplified. However, the media then moved on from that story, apparently believing that they did their part to help try and convict the guy.

Then, a year later, in an unexpected act of journalism, someone went back and asked the question: Hey, whatever happened with the Umbrella Man (who was identified in the warrant as Mitchell Wesley Carlson)? That answer is: Nothing. No arrest warrant, no charges, no trial. Not even a misdemeanor charge for breaking windows.

From the article:

In the search warrant records, Minneapolis police investigator Erika Christensen said authorities were tipped off about the man’s identity. In addition to the eponymous umbrella, he wore a gas mask and was recorded using a small sledgehammer to break AutoZone windows. He is also believed to have spray-painted “free (expletive) for everyone zone” on the store doors.

Further:

Then came a tip that was emailed to the Minneapolis police. Additional research identified the tipster and the police were able to speak directly with this person, who was passing the information along for another individual who preferred to remain anonymous out of fear of Carlson. The informant stated that Carlson is a member of the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club and associated with the Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood (ACB), a small, white supremacist prison/street gang based in Minnesota and Kentucky, whose symbol is a helmeted and winged skull with the initials ACB. “He wanted to sow discord and racial unrest,” the informant told police.

So, the COMPLETE story here Finn is that the cops received a tip from an unidentified source that Carlson was the Umbrella Man. The police get a search warrant - and potentially the search warrant was dressed up with information received from the tipster about groups that Carlson was allegedly associated with, they execute the warrant, and 2 years later none of the allegations in the media have been "proven" (i.e., testimony under oath), beyond that fact that the info about his alleged associations was included in the search warrant.

Available information on-line about Carlson suggests he's no angel. There are public records about domestic abuse, and some less than flattering photos online. Is he the "Umbrella Man"? No one apparently knows for sure, or at the very least, there's insufficient evidence to charge him.

But there is excellent evidence that the windows were broken by a white guy all dressed up in expensive black gear, including a 'tactical umbrella.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rvEnQLpe4A

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

But there is excellent evidence that the windows were broken by a white guy all dressed up in expensive black gear, including a 'tactical umbrella.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rvEnQLpe4A

Yes, there is. That's not in dispute.

What we don't know is who that individual was and what their motivation was.

[RickeyM]

Just for shits & grins I scrolled back to the origin of this post. I'm convinced that the entire purpose of it is simply to troll those Sir whell views as being on the left and therefore wrong on just about everything. No matter what facts are presented Sir whell maintains the never give up, never surrender posture. This post has given him six years of entertainment. Of course coming from a Lefty he'll assuredly deny that. Oh well (no pun intended), more important things to do.

[Chicks]

Alex Jones and Whell would be a sweet couple, don'cha think?