"Two N.Y.P.D. Officers Are Killed in Brooklyn Ambush; Suspect Commits Suicide" NYT

[sheltiedave]

Originally Posted by finnbow

FWIW, McCullough himself did not conduct these grand jury proceedings. He entered the (already sitting) grand jury's room once on the day the case was brought and not again thereafter.

McCulloch talked to Alizadeh and Whirley every single morning, at lunch break, after the GJ finished for the day, and discussed all matters, possible directions, and how to present themselves before the GJ.

If you don't believe that, then try to explain how and why they so thoroughly committed malpractice by handing out the unconstitutional statute that was voided by the Supreme Court in 1984.

But in handing the jurors the original statute, Alizadeh conveyed the message that Wilson did not feel his life needed to be in danger for him to be legally justified in shooting and killing 18-year-old Michael Brown on Aug. 9.

“She was taking the hurdle that Darren Wilson had to get over in his testimony, and flattening it,” O’Donnell argued. “She was making it impossible for Darren Wilson to fail in front of this grand jury.”

Consequently, he said, the jurors listened to Wilson’s testimony while still believing the statute was still in effect. Alizadeh did not correct her error until Nov. 21, telling them that “part of the case law” did not comply with the Supreme Court ruling.

Court records also show that, when one juror asked whether the high court’s decision overrode state laws, Alizadeh did not say yes, and instead gave a non-commital answer.

“As far as you need to know, just don’t worry about that,” Alizadeh told the juror. Alizadeh’s colleague, Sheila Whirley, added, “We don’t want to get into a law class.”

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

McCulloch talked to Alizadeh and Whirley every single morning, at lunch break, after the GJ finished for the day, and discussed all matters, possible directions, and how to present themselves before the GJ.

If you don't believe that, then try to explain how and why they so thoroughly committed malpractice by handing out the unconstitutional statute that was voided by the Supreme Court in 1984.

But in handing the jurors the original statute, Alizadeh conveyed the message that Wilson did not feel his life needed to be in danger for him to be legally justified in shooting and killing 18-year-old Michael Brown on Aug. 9.

“She was taking the hurdle that Darren Wilson had to get over in his testimony, and flattening it,” O’Donnell argued. “She was making it impossible for Darren Wilson to fail in front of this grand jury.”

Consequently, he said, the jurors listened to Wilson’s testimony while still believing the statute was still in effect. Alizadeh did not correct her error until Nov. 21, telling them that “part of the case law” did not comply with the Supreme Court ruling.

Court records also show that, when one juror asked whether the high court’s decision overrode state laws, Alizadeh did not say yes, and instead gave a non-commital answer.

“As far as you need to know, just don’t worry about that,” Alizadeh told the juror. Alizadeh’s colleague, Sheila Whirley, added, “We don’t want to get into a law class.”

Blah, blah, blah. Are you saying that one quick vignette disqualifies the several months of work they did? What if you had answered the call and served on this grand jury? How would you appreciate some relatively uninformed clown criticizing the work you had done for several months? Give it a rest. Unless you served on this grand jury, your tale is but "a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

[Tom Joad]

Back to the original topic, I feel bad that this happened to an Asian and a Hispanic cop when it's the white ones that are causing most of the problems.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Blah, blah, blah. Are you saying that one quick vignette disqualifies the several months of work they did? What if you had answered the call and served on this grand jury? How would you appreciate some relatively uninformed clown criticizing the work you had done for several months? Give it a rest. Unless you served on this grand jury, your tale is but "a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Blah...blah...blah my ass.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-pol...tness-was-liar

McCulloch new he was allowing false testimony to the grand jury. His assistant DA's knew and they spent time strategizing how to best present this false testimony in order to get the outcome they wanted...no indictment.

Even more damning is the admisssion, by St. Louis County prosecutor Robert McCulloch that he knew she was not present at the scene of the shooting, yet he decided to present witnesses who were “ clearly not telling the truth” to the grand jury. This prosecutorial misconduct, some legal experts say, could result in a new hearing for Darren Wilson, the former police officer who shot Michael Brown.

McCulluch admitted it it. He said he did it, knew it was lies, knew McElroy wasn't even there, and decided to put her and others on the stand and leave it in the hands of the members of the Grand Jury.

What are you arguing, finn? When it comes to what McCulloch did to the Grand Jury process, there's nothing to argue anymore. He admitted it. I'm not blaming the members of the Grand Jury...they got fraudulent evidence. They were set up by the prosecution and made their decision. They did their job.

Now it's time for an actual Grand Jury to be convened with testimony from actual witnesses who aren't racist scum...and see where it goes when a little justice is actually served up.

[piece-itpete]

F'ing racist bastid cops and the crooked politicians that shelter them. We should give these people MORE power...

Did anyone see the interview with the asian widow, how her mom would reach over and wipe her daughters' eyes? There was something very moving about that.

Pete

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Blah, blah, blah. Are you saying that one quick vignette disqualifies the several months of work they did? What if you had answered the call and served on this grand jury? How would you appreciate some relatively uninformed clown criticizing the work you had done for several months? Give it a rest. Unless you served on this grand jury, your tale is but "a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

This insistence that something is rotten in Missouri is really getting under your skin, ins't it? Wonder why?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

...When it comes to what McCulloch did to the Grand Jury process, there's nothing to argue anymore. He admitted it....

Yes.

He admitted to disavowing nothing, letting all evidence (even spurious) be heard from both camps, the "hands up" folks who were full of shit from jump were not found credible and -- now -- whiners want to cherry pick a single testimony from the other side.

WEAK.

The (unnecessary) GJ did its job, a fine job and got it right.

This thing is dead.

[Boreas]

Look up "suborning perjury".

John

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Look up "suborning perjury".

John

Look up "sticky situation, better part of valor and selective enforcement."

Every DA on Earth knows where this guy was which is in a bad spot he didn't cause. Were he truly unhindered by circumstance, there would have never been a Grand Jury.

There's nothing here but cherry picking and sour grapes from those who put their cart ahead of the horse from Day One.

[Boreas]

Just a little video salad here for you wing nuts.

Here's what you've all been screeching about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibeZCkHwb-I

Now listen to this. Pay attention. It's almost 2 minutes long so I know it'll be tough for you but please try. It's kinda important.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZfbrItDvrU

But C-SPAN is just a part of the "left wing media" so they're probably the ones with the doctored video, right?

John