Congratulations America!

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

It does make sense that the parties can't get along very well as the public is so evenly divided. If one says black, and the other white, how on earth is there a compromise? OK grey, bad example

My take on all this is that the average voter wants the grey and gets too uncomfortable with the edges. This includes both parties (so the GOP better not go off the deep end after this!).

Perhaps cloture would be better off dead.

All you old guys ( ) from what I've read you where lucky enough to grow up in a relatively bipartisan time. The dirtiest campaign now still pales to campaigns of yore.

Pete

The GOP has been off the deep end for at least 20 years.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

Can a normal blue collar hard working American buy in and be covered under
medicare?

Would you want that? If so, tell your freakin' party.

John

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

If the bill was so great why did they make sure they'd be out of office before it actually did anything?

Pete

I don't think anyone is saying that the bill is "so great" but you're mistaken unless you believe Obama has no interest in a second term.

John

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by cabinover

Exactly my point, increased profits for the investor class. Why wouldn't those nasty greedy Republican be behind this bill?

The aforementioned Colorado governor was a Republican. [EDIT} Or not.

The Republican opposition to the bill has less to do with the actual content of the bill than its potential over time to provide meaningful reform and an equitable system of access to health care. They, like the corporate Democrats, don't want to do anything that reduces the profits of their paymasters.

John

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by merrylander

That was proposed, open up Medicare to people 50 and above, it got killed quicker than a groundhog on I-70 When said blue collar worker reaches 65 he does not get a choice, they take it out of his SS check.

As I recall, the idea was floated on a Friday and dead on Monday.

John

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

The GOP has been off the deep end for at least 20 years.

Tsk tsk tsk Eddie, that's not being very bipartisan

Pete

[noonereal]

Sorry John, as long as this bill expands the current system of profit for health I cannot support it. Once you give something to someone you can never take it away. This bill will give the "pay to live" crowd 50 million extra profit centers which would never be closed. This is not a start, this is a death blow.


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Well, it's pretty simple. It's deceit for personal gain on top and mindless "Moonie" type followers below.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Tsk tsk tsk Eddie, that's not being very bipartisan

Pete

Hell, nobody elected me for anything. I'm *not* bipartisan. Never claimed I was. Hell, maybe that makes me a Republican.

When's the last time you heard Rush or Beck say "we really need to work with the Democrats on this one". Hell, even McCain, the Maverick, hasn't cast a bipartisan vote in eons.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

The GOP has been off the deep end for at least 20 years.

The boy King's hijacking of the republican party is where the republican wheels left the tracks.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by noonereal

The boy King's hijacking of the republican party is where the republican wheels left the tracks.

It started with Reagan, but yes, finally went full into la la land under Bush II.