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Old 10-09-2012, 11:30 AM
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I would have no problem if the EU would step up to the plate and pay their fair share. And they want bilateralism? If we pay, we decide.

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Why should they, when we insist on doing it for them?

After all, the savages can't be trusted.....right?

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Old 10-09-2012, 12:48 PM
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I would have no problem if the EU would step up to the plate and pay their fair share. And they want bilateralism? If we pay, we decide.

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The Europeans paid at least their fair share in liberating Libya and all the GOP could do is squawk about "leading from behind." Can't have it both ways, Pete.
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:04 PM
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We charged them by the bomb, or sortie, or both?

Besides, Libya is a drop in the bucket. I wonder how much it costs to keep a carrier going for 1 day.

For the record I didn't say they do nothing at all. Just not their share. Heck they couldn't even take care of little Bosnia.

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We charged them by the bomb, or sortie, or both?

Besides, Libya is a drop in the bucket. I wonder how much it costs to keep a carrier going for 1 day.

For the record I didn't say they do nothing at all. Just not their share. Heck they couldn't even take care of little Bosnia.

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But you don't want them as allies. You want them as subservient providers of military units. When France, rightfully so, called BS on Powells presentation in the UN about the Iraq invasion, the whole, stupid Freedom Fries fiasco happened. Of course, the French were right and it was a crock of shit. I don't recall any official apologies then.

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It's a cold hard world out there. If they want a place at the table they'll have to earn it - they need to put their money where their mouth is.

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It's a cold hard world out there. If they want a place at the table they'll have to earn it - they need to put their money where their mouth is.

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The French already have a seat at the table, Pete, as a permanent member of the UN Security Council. It was the French at the forefront of the Libya liberation.
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It's a cold hard world out there. If they want a place at the table they'll have to earn it - they need to put their money where their mouth is.

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You're the one bitching and moaning about them. So how do they earn the place at the table? Making up stories about countries and then illegally occupying them? Well, the Germans and Russians have earned their spots.

Btw, what countries aren't doing the job?
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Look at the % of GDP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_expenditures

Folks say we (the US) are empirical, or arrogant, and spend too much on our military. However the world doesn't run itself, so in order for us to pull back we'd need help.

That's why I say, 'they' need to put their money where their mouth is. It's the only solution that we'd all want. See?

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Look at the % of GDP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_expenditures

Folks say we (the US) are empirical, or arrogant, and spend too much on our military. However the world doesn't run itself, so in order for us to pull back we'd need help.

That's why I say, 'they' need to put their money where their mouth is. It's the only solution that we'd all want. See?

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Somehow, you seem to think there's a magic number of money that needs to be spent for the military across the world. I would offer that a significant portion of US military expenditures are against threats that no longer even exist. We still spend untold billions on weapons systems designed for an all-out multi-front war against the Soviets on land, on the seas, in the air and in space.
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Look at the % of GDP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_expenditures

Folks say we (the US) are empirical, or arrogant, and spend too much on our military. However the world doesn't run itself, so in order for us to pull back we'd need help.

That's why I say, 'they' need to put their money where their mouth is. It's the only solution that we'd all want. See?

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How did the world run itself before the US existed?

Who does the US plan to use the 5000+ nuclear warheads currently in th inventory against?
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