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Old 05-23-2018, 09:29 PM
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Trying to wrap my head around the claim that it somehow reflects badly on Obama that Trump's campaign was so riddled with agents of foreign powers that FBI felt compelled to investigate.

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Old 05-24-2018, 12:34 AM
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Old 05-24-2018, 06:45 AM
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These are not my words. It was a direct quote from the article from the ever-insightful Chris Cilliza. And yes, it has been debunked. The guy was a confidential informant, not a spy, and he was not "imbedded" in the campaign.

You never seem to allow facts to get in the way of a good argument.
So now you're down to borrowing the lying Clapper's words to describe Halper's role? That's hilarious!

Try this:

Stefan Halper has been identified by multiple media outlets as the source tasked by the FBI with collecting information about the Russian connections of Trump campaign officials Carter Page and George Papadopoulos.

So, under the direction of the FBI, Halper was asked to make contact with folks inside the Trump campaign. He has been paid in the past by the FBI for "research" and may have been paid for his latest services.

I really don't give a crap what spin you and Clapper wish to use to give a name to the services Halper provided. The fact of the matter is that the FBI sent someone in to Trump's campaign to make contact with two or more individuals. And, there's work circulating that there may have been a person or persons besides Halper. The FBI is now stuck re-characterizing when their "investigation" started as a result of this revelation. Its at the very least damned odd, and at the most agents of the gov't interfering in the 2016 election.
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Old 05-24-2018, 06:52 AM
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Up to Trump's time in the arena any foreign entity involvement and USA elections was crime. Investigating a crime and informants go hand in hand. Evidently crimes were committed with all of the evidence and guilty pleas out so far.
But then one needs to have love of country over love of power to admit this to themselves..
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Old 05-24-2018, 07:15 AM
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So now you're down to borrowing the lying Clapper's words to describe Halper's role? That's hilarious!

Try this:

Stefan Halper has been identified by multiple media outlets as the source tasked by the FBI with collecting information about the Russian connections of Trump campaign officials Carter Page and George Papadopoulos.

So, under the direction of the FBI, Halper was asked to make contact with folks inside the Trump campaign. He has been paid in the past by the FBI for "research" and may have been paid for his latest services.

I really don't give a crap what spin you and Clapper wish to use to give a name to the services Halper provided. The fact of the matter is that the FBI sent someone in to Trump's campaign to make contact with two or more individuals. And, there's work circulating that there may have been a person or persons besides Halper. The FBI is now stuck re-characterizing when their "investigation" started as a result of this revelation. Its at the very least damned odd, and at the most agents of the gov't interfering in the 2016 election.
So, in your fevered mind, it's inappropriate, even illegal, for the FBI's counter-intelligence group to investigate the gaggle of foreign agents and Russia-hugging traitors inside of Trump's campaign (Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Papadopolous, Page...)? If the FBI had not investigated these people, we would now have foreign agents inside the White House and in other sensitive administration positions. Your support of that notion is as ridiculous as it is traitorous.
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Old 05-24-2018, 07:25 AM
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Yes, Whell is beginning to sound very much like a traitor. Sad! I think he’s gone completely over the edge, probably needs professional help to return to the real world. He hasn’t answered about his (lack of) military service. I can’t imagine a sane person supporting the faux delusional rantings of Donny with such fervor, though Donny’s rant is very coldly calculated. Donny knows exactly what he’s doing, and relies on idiots like Whell to believe the big con.
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Old 05-24-2018, 07:36 AM
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Even Mike Pompeo yesterday stated that there was no such thing as the Deep State.

Meanwhile, Bret Stephens, a Pulitzer Prize winning foreign policy conservative of considerable renown, writes:

As early as 2013, the F.B.I. had concerns about Paul Manafort and his deputy, Rick Gates, regarding their “offshore consulting activities,” and interviewed the pair repeatedly. At the time, Manafort was working for Ukrainian President (and Putin puppet) Viktor Yanukovych, from whom he allegedly received more than $12 million in secret payments.

The bureau also had long been interested in Carter Page, an obscure energy consultant whom it had first interviewed in 2013 in connection to his contacts with Victor Podobnyy, a Russian spy based in New York. Page’s chief distinction was his willingness to recite Kremlin talking points on foreign policy.

Manafort joined the Trump campaign in March 2016. Page was named to Trump’s foreign policy team that same month. So was George Papadopoulos, another nonentity with pro-Russian views. Within two months, Papadopoulos was getting word of Russia’s hacking ops via a Kremlin-connected source, which he passed along to former Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer that May. The Australians later related this to the F.B.I.

Retired Gen. Mike Flynn, the future national security adviser, had his own financial ties to Russian companies and organizations that would stand to benefit from the lifting of U.S. sanctions on Russia. Flynn’s sudden advocacy for lifting sanctions was especially odd given that he was previously on record as an anti-Russia hawk.

All of this is independent of Christopher Steele’s notorious Russia dossier. Some pundits on the right are now breathlessly trying to claim that the bureau was spying on Page, and thus the campaign, via an informant before the formal investigation began, as if this is an outrage of the first order.

But the significant question is whether any competent counterintelligence officer would not have seen, in this constellation of facts, serious reason to believe that the Trump campaign was profoundly vulnerable to Russian manipulation, even (or especially) if the candidate himself didn’t know about it. Just imagine if Manafort or Flynn hadn’t had their Russia ties exposed and now occupied positions of trust in the White House. The Kremlin would surely know how to leverage their secrets.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/o...fbi-trump.html
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You’re simply beyond disgusting, just like your hero Donny.
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You’re simply beyond disgusting, just like your hero Donny.
Trump and his traitorous minions met with Russians on dozens of occasions and lied about it repeatedly, yet Clapper is the liar? What a feckin' tool yer boy Whell is.

Meanwhile, it has been revealed that "Trump has told confidants in recent days that the revelation of an informant was potential evidence that the upper echelon of federal law enforcement has conspired against him, according to three people familiar with his recent conversations but not authorized to discuss them publicly. Trump told one ally this week that he wanted “to brand” the informant a “spy,” believing the more nefarious term would resonate more in the media and with the public."

https://www.apnews.com/23b9456c12484...o-'spygate'

It looks like Trump is correct in assessing the gullibility of fanboys like Whell.
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You’re simply beyond disgusting, just like your hero Donny.
It does not like whell is here to have a meaningful dialog here. He is simply feeding the internet with disinformation. Also note that all his posts are one sided, spreading false information. Sounds like Nunes every single day.

Yet he has never admitted to my knowledge that he is a Trump supporter, always hedges. Wonder why.
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