Humanism has the Answer

watsup1000 · #1 07-06-2020, 10:16 AM

I'm trilling into the core belief and its resulting outcome and worldview. If there is no creator, there are literally no rules other than the ones we make up. And they only apply to the person who makes them up and those that person conquers. And even then, they can be chanced at will. And they really have no power other than to extend or end a life that is terminal at conception anyway.

Again, so much wrong Yes, there are no rules other than the ones that we, homo sapiens, make up. That is the very core of Humanism, to find the most ethical manner for civil societies to thrive on a long-term basis. The Constitution of the United States is perhaps the most important Humanist document every written. It codifies the foundation of the nation using HUMANIST concepts. Not once is the "divine" written into it as a basis for its conception.
Humanism has the answers, and without the myths and superstitions underlying religions.

Not Insane · #2 07-06-2020, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by watsup1000

I'm trilling into the core belief and its resulting outcome and worldview. If there is no creator, there are literally no rules other than the ones we make up. And they only apply to the person who makes them up and those that person conquers. And even then, they can be chanced at will. And they really have no power other than to extend or end a life that is terminal at conception anyway.

Again, so much wrong Yes, there are no rules other than the ones that we, homo sapiens, make up. That is the very core of Humanism, to find the most ethical manner for civil societies to thrive on a long-term basis. The Constitution of the United States is perhaps the most important Humanist document every written. It codifies the foundation of the nation using HUMANIST concepts. Not once is the "divine" written into it as a basis for its conception.
Humanism has the answers, and without the myths and superstitions underlying religions.

Humanism has answers, true. They are just not "the answer". They are written in sand. Hitler had answers. Pol Pot had answers. And their answers were correct until someone with more power decided they weren't. But until then, if you were within their sphere of power, they were the "right" answers. And theirs were most definitely "humanist" answers.

Pio1980 · #3 07-06-2020, 11:13 AM

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Humanism has answers, true. They are just not "the answer". They are written in sand. Hitler had answers. Pol Pot had answers. And their answers were correct until someone with more power decided they weren't. But until then, if you were within their sphere of power, they were the "right" answers. And theirs were most definitely "humanist" answers.

Sans ethics, abusive authoritarianism isn't "humanism" but can be religiously grounded, as is often the case.

Not Insane · #4 07-06-2020, 11:23 AM

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Sans ethics, abusive authoritarianism isn't "humanism" but can be religiously grounded, as is often the case.

Sure. Religion is man made. It is one of many tools used to manipulate people. Look at islam today.

But according to humanism, the abusive authoritarian is right, until he's overthrown by someone more powerful (or he dies). In humanism, might quite literally makes right.

Pio1980 · #5 07-06-2020, 12:35 PM

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Sure. Religion is man made. It is one of many tools used to manipulate people. Look at islam today.

But according to humanism, the abusive authoritarian is right, until he's overthrown by someone more powerful (or he dies). In humanism, might quite literally makes right.

How is that different from religion?

Not Insane · #6 07-06-2020, 12:42 PM

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How is that different from religion?

I consider humanism to be a form of religion. Atheism too.

Pio1980 · #7 07-06-2020, 12:45 PM

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I consider humanism to be a form of religion. Atheism too.

Agnosticism?
A state of lacking sufficient data to make a determination at this time.

watsup1000 · #8 07-06-2020, 01:41 PM

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I consider humanism to be a form of religion. Atheism too.

What "you consider" does not make it correct. Religion clearly implies some sort of ethereal existence that contains a "God" and perhaps other creatures that is used as a foundation for the beliefs therein.
Humanism and atheism, on the other hand, consider only that which is known as "natural" and of THIS world, not of some "supernatural" entity or existence. HUGE difference!

Pio1980 · #9 07-06-2020, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Insane

Humanism has answers, true. They are just not "the answer". They are written in sand. Hitler had answers. Pol Pot had answers. And their answers were correct until someone with more power decided they weren't. But until then, if you were within their sphere of power, they were the "right" answers. And theirs were most definitely "humanist" answers.

A-humm, about that Spanish inquisition thing?